I’m not sure I understand your question, George. We all perceive ourselves to be agents with consciousness and the ability to choose and to act. I think to some extent the perception of a self that is unitary in time and space is an illusion (much like free will), but it is how most people claim to experience their lives and I think is a pretty widespread, natural illusion. So in that sense, there is no “we” doing the choosing, but it sure feels like there is, which is why I think the hwhole problem (and these endless debates) arises. Our intuitive perception of how we are and how we relate to the uuniverse turns out to be challenged by intellectual abstrations from science, and we’re stuck with a conflict between how we think things are and how they feel.
Whether there is a we doing the choosing or the brain chooses makes no difference. A choice takes place.
Confusion in the debate arises from the idea that the feeling there is a seperate I to my brain, doing the choosing is the free will illusion.
It can’t be!
If this seperate I is choosing between tea and coffee and prefers tea, this still gives us no reason to think it is this seperate I’s fault that it prefers tea. You could say I might prefer coffee ok maybe but so what?
In your mind you believe there is a reason to think it can be my fault that I prefer tea. Free will includes the belief there is a reason. That is why I call free will an erroneous belief not an illusion. I think it is well worth looking at the no illusion argument because if true it simplifies and gives us a way out of the endless circling. I think the belief free will is an illusion is the biggest blocker to seeing the truth. I also think this is why I have something different to add to the same old debate.
Somehow it has to be ultimately my fault that I prefered tea for me to have free will. It boils down to, somehow it has to be my fault, that I am me!
There is nothing that could make this so, that we know of.
It’s the belief there is, which is the problem, nothing else.
This is the free will error, if you have the feeling we have free will you must believe there is something that can make this so.
You are looking in the wrong place Brennan.
If you come to realise this, you will realise we can keep the illusion that there is a seperate I controlling our brains and bodies in tacked and still stop believing in free will, as I’ve done.
Without taking this step we are stuck because as you say this illusion is not going away.
Luckily the truth is, it doesn’t matter.