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Posted: 23 November 2012 04:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 46 ]
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Let’s also emphasize the impact global warming is currently having on food production now and in the near future. Higher C02 levels do help crop production but will be greatly offset by droughts and flooding due to mountain glaciers melting. And even though Africa and Asia are now seeing the immediate impact with droughts and lower rice yields this year the northern latitude countries will be effected by 2040 or before. Couple this with rising populations and it spells disaster. If anything’s going to take us out it’ll be this, starvation on a global scale.


http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-will-climate-change-impact-world-food-supplies

http://www.pnas.org/content/101/27/9971.full

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Posted: 23 November 2012 12:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 47 ]
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sine dues - 22 November 2012 02:45 PM

Hi Stephen, I am not saying wait for conclusive evidence….I do not think that there will ever be a way to stop polluting our planet…..this is what we and every creature here does…...we will not go back to a simple agrarian or hunter gatherer society .....we must do what we need to survive…...energy is survival. Since when has life been fair?

Well, I agree with Tim. You are not really concerned about whether global warming is happening or not, you simply think we should do nothing about it in any case.

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Posted: 23 November 2012 12:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 48 ]
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sine dues - 22 November 2012 02:45 PM

Hi Stephen, I am not saying wait for conclusive evidence….I do not think that there will ever be a way to stop polluting our planet…..this is what we and every creature here does…...we will not go back to a simple agrarian or hunter gatherer society .....we must do what we need to survive…...energy is survival. Since when has life been fair?

It isn’t and it won’t be until we’re all dead. Then it will be fair, at least.  And we’ll all be dead sooner than anyone thinks if we ignore the evidence and likely result of the greenhouse effect and do nothing to ameliorate it.  But, hey, if what we want more than anything is “fairness,” we’ll get it in spades.

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Posted: 23 November 2012 12:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 49 ]
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The time for debate about AGW should be well over.  Now we should be debating re: What are the effective solutions that will not cause more harm than good?.

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Posted: 23 November 2012 01:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 50 ]
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TimB - 23 November 2012 12:59 PM

The time for debate about AGW should be well over.  Now we should be debating re: What are the effective solutions that will not cause more harm than good?.

Yep bearing in mind that some of those will probably be unimaginable to us now.

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Posted: 24 November 2012 08:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 51 ]
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sine dues - 22 November 2012 08:27 AM

No, not a diversion tactic….a fact. When new facts appear one cannot simply ignore it because it does not fit into your existing data….

The diversion tactic was bringing up DDT. The study you linked does not show no global warming over the past 15 years. Quite the opposite, actually. Perhaps you should try looking at the data. See Met Office Updates HadCRUT Record of Global Temperature for a layman’s explanation. The HadCRUT data confirms earlier computer models were correct and global temperatures continue to rise. Denialists often cite this data and thus use the anomalous year 1998 trying to prove the Earth is no longer warming, but they are wrong. 1998 is now the third hottest year on record, and the 14 hottest years have come in the last 14 years.

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Posted: 24 November 2012 05:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 52 ]
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sine dues - 22 November 2012 11:01 AM

it is a diversion if you ignore that the antarctic is accumulating ice

Since you say you are interested in the science, here’s something from NASA: Opposite Behaviors? Arctic Sea Ice Shrinks, Antarctic Grows

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/arctic-antarctic-ice.html

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Posted: 24 November 2012 06:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 53 ]
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DarronS - 24 November 2012 05:45 PM
sine dues - 22 November 2012 11:01 AM

it is a diversion if you ignore that the antarctic is accumulating ice

Since you say you are interested in the science, here’s something from NASA: Opposite Behaviors? Arctic Sea Ice Shrinks, Antarctic Grows

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/arctic-antarctic-ice.html

Very nice Darron, I hadn’t seen this post, though I have read the NASA article.

Sine dues, have you gone to that link and read the article?
Did it teach you anything you didn’t appreciate before?
It would be interesting to hear/read your opinion of it.

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Posted: 24 November 2012 06:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 54 ]
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Sine may still be trying to crawl out from under a certain pie chart in a related thread.  Or he may be in full body traction.

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Posted: 26 November 2012 09:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 55 ]
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dansmith62 - 20 November 2012 06:23 AM

Romney and the laughing Republicans remind me of all the ignorant people laughing at the thought that a ship like the Titanic could sink. I’m very glad that the majority of the American voters elected a president who respects scientists. The ultra-conservative folks will lose their American war on science, but not without casualties.

And just in the nick of time. Among other reasons this election was so important is our need to reduce our carbon emissions now, not in 10 or 20 years. We are nearing a tipping point where, once crossed, nothing we do can reverse of even slow global warming. We need to act immediately. Obama’s reelecting, combined with last summer’s record heat and Hurricane Sandy has opened a policy window where we might actually make some progress.

Well, let’s see how Obama’s delegation are doing at the Doha Climate Change Convention…

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Posted: 27 November 2012 09:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 56 ]
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dansmith….mark my words- nothing will be done by obama ! He will talk lovely words but he will do nothing…...modus operandi

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Posted: 27 November 2012 10:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 57 ]
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Oh by the way…..the science is not settled.

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Posted: 27 November 2012 10:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 58 ]
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He’s working on it but let’s hope that it isn’t too little nor too late. The Copenhagen Accords are at least a step in the right direction globally and soft energy investment will IMO pay off in the long run if he can convince private industry to convert. He also needs to convince the electorate of the looming danger if we don’t. We are after all, the leader in fossil fuel consumption and China is moving up quickly. Head in the sand thinking has to end now. We need immediate action if that’s what you’re alluding to Sine. Commissioning a task force or blue ribbon panel to “study” the problem should have been done25 years ago.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/energy/climate-change


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Posted: 27 November 2012 10:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 59 ]
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Little late for should’ves.

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Posted: 27 November 2012 10:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 60 ]
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sine dues - 27 November 2012 10:06 AM

Oh by the way…..the science is not settled.

When will you quit repeating that denialist bs? Science is never settled, yet you keep bringing it up as if it somehow makes a point.

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