sine dues - 28 November 2012 10:37 AM

Well…..you guys are just too good. I concede. I am going back to shill for the big oil companies.

It’s easy to be good when you have facts on your side.

Instead of going back to repeating the denier talking points you should think about where you are wrong and reconsider your opinions.

DarronS - 28 November 2012 08:35 PM

Well…..you guys are just too good. I concede. I am going back to shill for the big oil companies.

What you gonna roll up your marbles and go home?
just when it was getting interesting?

Come on, I’m curious what is it about Tim Ball that impresses you.

sine dues - 20 November 2012 07:12 AM

I call BS…show me some evidence ( not a weak climate model) that we are at a ‘tipping point’. Scaremongering I say….oh no…things might not look so bad…but wait what if we are at the tipping point where once reached we can never go back….never go back…..well where is your evidence for a tipping point ?

Sorry, but not everything we do is without dues.

The fact that arctic ice is retreating, is severely thinned, and that open water has a lower albedo really makes it clear that the process of melting arctic ice is a positive feedback system when it goes too far.  The fact that for the first time ever, the entire surface of the greenland ice sheet was shown to be melting (yes, slowly, but it’s the first time even for that) shows another potential problem.

Of course, if you look at the temperature history of the earth, it’s gone through tropical phases, iceball phases, and so on, and this kind of ancient history makes it clear that unremediable change can happen, has happened, and will happen again.

So, then, given the actual physical evidence, which is now legion, only a tiny bit of which I have pointed out here, how can you possibly have avoided the evidence?

jj - 01 December 2012 02:35 PM

sine dues - 20 November 2012 07:12 AM

I call BS…show me some evidence ( not a weak climate model) that we are at a ‘tipping point’. Scaremongering I say….oh no…things might not look so bad…but wait what if we are at the tipping point where once reached we can never go back….never go back…..well where is your evidence for a tipping point ?

Sorry, but not everything we do is without dues.

The fact that arctic ice is retreating, is severely thinned, and that open water has a lower albedo really makes it clear that the process of melting arctic ice is a positive feedback system when it goes too far.  The fact that for the first time ever, the entire surface of the greenland ice sheet was shown to be melting (yes, slowly, but it’s the first time even for that) shows another potential problem.

Of course, if you look at the temperature history of the earth, it’s gone through tropical phases, iceball phases, and so on, and this kind of ancient history makes it clear that unremediable change can happen, has happened, and will happen again.

So, then, given the actual physical evidence, which is now legion, only a tiny bit of which I have pointed out here, how can you possibly have avoided the evidence?

I changed the word “chance” to “change” in the next to the last line, above, as that is what I think you meant to say.  If I am wrong, I apologize, in advance, and you can call me a dick.

Hi, Dick! But you’re right. I typoed.

And fixed, thank you.

It doesn’t bug me that denialists, contrarians, “skeptics” disappear when their bold bs is called to task.

I just wish some of them might have learned something in the process.

My fear is that they run at the first sign of their own doubt.

citizenschallenge.pm - 02 December 2012 08:14 PM

It doesn’t bug me that denialists, contrarians, “skeptics” disappear when their bold bs is called to task.

I just wish some of them might have learned something in the process.

My fear is that they run at the first sign of their own doubt.

I would imagine that they just think, “Well, this person is a ‘true believer’ and I’ll never convince them, so I’m just going to let it drop.”