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our electoral system: fair or not
Posted: 19 November 2012 08:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Occam. - 17 November 2012 11:42 AM

Posner is a conservative jerk who has the habit of writing articles with make-believe, weak logic…..

Oh indeed.  You have to wonder though, whether he actually buys all that or if he just wrote it to be argumentative.

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Posted: 19 November 2012 11:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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I don’t know, but I think his prime motivation is to make money and get grants from conservative institutions.

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Posted: 20 November 2012 08:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Hell, that’s not hard.  Just write books about why America needs Jesus, why taxes are evil, why the homos shouldn’t marry, and why climate change is the manufactured wishfarts of Democratic scaremongers.  Can’t be that hard.

TAXES TAXES TAXES!!  GOVERNMENT WILL STEAL YOUR MONEY AND FORCE YOU TO DO WHAT THEY WANT!!!
HOMOSEXUALS!!!  GAYS WILL RAPE YOUR SONS AND EAT YOUR DAUGHTERS!!  HOMOS HOMOS HOMOS!!!
NO TAX CLIMATE CHANGE GAY HOMO DEMOCRAT SATAN!!!
AMERICA LOVES JESUS!!!

See, easy.

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Posted: 20 November 2012 12:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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I see we have a budding member of the 1% here.  LOL

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Posted: 20 November 2012 12:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Occam. - 20 November 2012 12:29 PM

I see we have a budding member of the 1% here.  LOL

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And/or a (presumably male) version of Ann Coulter.

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Posted: 20 November 2012 01:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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TAXES TAXES TAXES!!  GOVERNMENT WILL STEAL YOUR MONEY AND FORCE YOU TO DO WHAT THEY WANT!!!
HOMOSEXUALS!!!  GAYS WILL RAPE YOUR SONS AND EAT YOUR DAUGHTERS!!  HOMOS HOMOS HOMOS!!!
NO TAX CLIMATE CHANGE GAY HOMO DEMOCRAT SATAN!!!
AMERICA LOVES JESUS!!!


Sex,sex,sex, must get sex into it, I see a commercial, you’re in a bath with a nude woman holding a bit of your string ... And there’s a doctor and an archbishop… !


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Posted: 20 November 2012 05:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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And there’s a doctor and an archbishop… !

...who want to be invited to the orgy!

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Posted: 20 November 2012 05:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon - 20 November 2012 05:40 PM

And there’s a doctor and an archbishop… !

...who want to be invited to the orgy!

Well, I think that all the members of the electoral college should be invited, as this thread was originally about their function.

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Posted: 20 November 2012 06:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Guys, old Monty Python skit! “Simpson’s stringettes, the now string”.

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Posted: 26 November 2012 09:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon - 18 November 2012 06:27 PM

It was very unfair in the US elections of the year 2000.

I don’t see how you get that. The results which came out were fully in complaince with the law and the system worked exactly as it was intended to. That the guy who got elected was somebody a lot of us here didn’t support (Or wouldn’t have supported if we knew what he was really all about) doesn’t take away from that.

I’ve noticed that most of the complaints about the Electoral Collage come the fastest and the loudest from whatever side lost the election. The side which wins seems to think it’s a model of statesmenship and the “wisdom” of the Founding Fathers…or at least they do until it’s their turn to lose the election.

The majority of American voters wanted Al Gore to be their president, didn’t they?

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Posted: 26 November 2012 09:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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Doesn’t really matter.  It’s all moot now.

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Posted: 26 November 2012 10:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Dead Monky - 26 November 2012 09:44 AM

Doesn’t really matter.  It’s all moot now.

Why not change the system, so something like this cannot happen again?

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Posted: 26 November 2012 10:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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The trouble is that if the system is already unfair and a supermajority or even only a majority are supposed to be required to change it, but a minority either of low population states or the wealthy can, using the present system, block it. it’s quite difficult to overcome that obstacle.

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Posted: 26 November 2012 10:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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Yes, I realize how difficult it is. But it’s still worth a try, right? It would also be good to have more than two parties in the House and Senate. I’m sure 5-10% of all Americans would vote for the Green Party for example.

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Posted: 26 November 2012 10:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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People do try.  But the institutional hurdles, powerful special interests, and general public apathy make it a sisyphean task.

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