Ariel, You asked me to explain how we evolved to do what you call “processing spirirual phenmena”. I kindly took the time and put some thought in my answer to you. You didn’t respond to it. It is post #45 under the topic about a Human Moral Creed.
I fear you are not open to reviewing any answers that don’t support your perspective and chosen dogma.
Your sole mission appears to be to repeatedly try to ramrod your belief system onto others. And part of your tactic seems to be asserting how rational you are and how irrational others are who don’t accept your beliefs. This mission and your approach cannot be effective, thus there do seem to be some irrational aspects to your continuing along the same lines,
Sorry, Tim, you are right in that I didn’t respond to your post #45. And thank you for taking the time to think about the ramifications of what I am saying to atheists.
Here are your arguments for natural selection producing a human brain that registers and responds to spiritual stimulation:
Ok, I’ll give it a go. If you have ever observed other mammals closely, you could note that they seem to behave in ways that suggest that they experience emotions similar to that of humans.
Couldn’t agree with you more on that one.
1) Thus I suggest that our emotional responses are a product of natural selection.
2) Humans like other animals also have the capacity to learn from experiences, but humans are somewhat unique in their development of very complex verbal behavior
3) Verbal behavior, by definition, requires a listener. The listener can often be one’s self.
4) In learning through experience, it happens that what is most relevant to attend to becomes established
5) Natural selection has also prepared us to attend more closely to some things than others
6) Natural selection and learning through experience provides us with the ability to recognize patterns
7) This however, is not a perfect ability. We often mispercieve and misinterpret, due to factors such as percieving what our learning thus far has prepared us to see, or over-focusing on one aspect of our environment, and due to the limitations and idiosyncracies ot the perceptual abilities that natural selection has left us with.
You must always remember that any human behavioral trait that produces schizophrenic responses to environmental conditions would never in itself be allowed to reproduce as you can’t survive if you are responding to things and events that aren’t there. We are here which proves that whatever we humans did in the past we were not responding inappropriately to survival needs which weighs against schizophrenia in human spirituality considering the enormous percentage of time and energy expended in religious activities, a pattern at least 40,000 years old. And not limited to the homo sapiens either. And I think you may even agree with me that it is not limited to primates either. What makes wolves and coyotes howl at the moon?
8) Humans with their complex verbal behavior are capable of producing a narrative that interprets their complex interplay of emotional experiences, and perceptions, hence the sound of the wind blowing in the grass, might be interpreted as a possible lurking predator, or simply as the wind blowing in the grass, or as the voice of God sending a message.
“or as the voice of God”?? That’s an illogical jump, Tim. You’re going from natural phenomena to spiritual ones without any explanation how that occurs. You really have to give an explanation how human beings came up with these spiritual forces in the first place since responding to invisible forces that aren’t there is schizophrenia and without survival value.
9) The particular theme of one’s interpretive narrative depends greatly on one’s personal learning history.
That’s the best I can do, off of the top of my head, I hope that it is enlightening for you.
You’re going to have to do better than that as you see I have shot down your argument as illogical. I’m sorry that you and all atheists are stuck with a failed philosophy but really, it’s your own faults for rushing to judgment far too early and for thinking you know it all when you don’t. Science doesn’t and no human being, including yours truly, can precisely predict the future which as progressive science shows continues to reveal marvels to increase our knowledge of the universe and ourselves in that process. Now, once again I’ve produced the arguments that destroy the atheist position so please stop accusing me of not doing so and just coming here to pull your chains. They do need pulling but it takes a theist like me to accomplish it as most traditional religious theologies are like atheism, fundamentalist belief is necessary: for theists it is to swallow irrational stories taken as real events. For atheists it is reliance on fellow humans who are as spiritually disabled as themselves plus reliance on technology to validate spiritual phenomena which runs counter to miraculous occurrences, i.e. they wouldn’t be considered “miraculous” if they were ordinary events subject to ordinary forces. In short, it’s just like quantum mechanics; observing the subject matter changes the whole scenario.
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