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Regarding women as animals
Posted: 30 November 2012 08:47 PM   [ Ignore ]
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This is how I have viewed women in burkas and even headscarves for most of my adult life.  It’s as if they are wearing a sign that says I AM INFERIOR.


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Regarding women as animals
November 29, 2012| Posted by: Ken Perrott


This little shocker comes from the French magazine Elle   – Arabie Saoudite : les femmes pistées lorsqu’elles quittent le pays. Yes, the original is in French but here’s some extracts from the article translated by Google.

Saudi women are denied even a bit more freedom last week as the “Europe 1″ radio reported that the Saudi authorities have implemented an electronic system that can alert families when these women leave the kingdom. Their “guardian” – in most cases their father, brother or uncle – are now notified by SMS when they go abroad.
This initiative reduces women to the status of slave was criticized on Twitter by Manal al-Sharif, an activist who fights for his country women can drive, they do not currently have the ability do. She was informed by a couple who went on a journey. The husband, who was with his wife received a text message from the immigration informing him that his wife was about to leave the international airport of Riyadh (capital of Saudi Arabia). ” backwardness “” Authorities use the technology to monitor women “, denounced the AFP novelist and columnist Badriya al-Bishr. He added: “This is the technology for a mentality backward. They want to keep prisoners. Government had better take care of those subject to domestic violence,” she concluded.
How does this system work? Are all women implanted with an electronic chip? Or does their passport information automatically initiate the warning?

Whatever the system, it just shows how religious extremists (and often the not so extreme) end up treating women like non-human animals.

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Posted: 30 November 2012 09:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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This is effed up. There is so much wrong in this world we need to fight, and this is important. Keep spreading the word, Lois.

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Posted: 30 November 2012 09:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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There was a sort of funny (if it weren’t also tragic) side link on the one that you posted.  A young woman and a young man were at an amusement park in Saudi Arabia, and a “religious-cop”, (yes they apparently have cops that make sure women are following the religion), a “religious-cop” stopped them and demanded identity to show that the young woman and the young man were related. (A woman is not to be in public places without a male relative in escort.) The young man passed out.  The young woman beat up the “religious-cop”.

Unfortunately she, now, faces the possibility of a lashing and a long prison sentence.

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Posted: 30 November 2012 09:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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I saw that, Tim. Kudos to her, but unfortunately she’ll probably be punished for defending her rights.

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Posted: 30 November 2012 09:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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TimB - 30 November 2012 09:12 PM

There was a sort of funny (if it weren’t also tragic) side link on the one that you posted.  A young woman and a young man were at an amusement park in Saudi Arabia, and a “religious-cop”, (yes they apparently have cops that make sure women are following the religion), a “religious-cop” stopped them and demanded identity to show that the young woman and the young man were related. (A woman is not to be in public places without a male relative in escort.) The young man passed out.  The young woman beat up the “religious-cop”.

Unfortunately she, now, faces the possibility of a lashing and a long prison sentence.

It seems weird that they have amusement parks in Saudi Arabia.

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Posted: 30 November 2012 09:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Lois - 30 November 2012 08:47 PM

This is how I have viewed women in burkas and even headscarves for most of my adult life.  It’s as if they are wearing a sign that says I AM INFERIOR.

Why do you think that?

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Posted: 30 November 2012 10:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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mid atlantic - 30 November 2012 09:37 PM

]It seems weird that they have amusement parks in Saudi Arabia.

I don’t know of anything in Islamic teachings that says it’s wrong to have fun, per se.  And people do like to be amused.

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Posted: 01 December 2012 04:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Lois, some of the things that are done to little girls in some Muslim countries pisses me off the most.
see:
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/11/29/afghan-girl-beheaded-by-rejected-suitor/

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Posted: 01 December 2012 08:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Here’s a thought and being the egalitarian that I am, tit for tat as we say, all Muslim males upon reaching puberty will be fitted with a cod lock to prevent fornication. The key will be given to the woman to which they are betrothed and after the marriage rite she officially unlocks her hubby’s thingy to do the deed. if divorce happens, she locks him back up and hands the key to the next Missus to be. hey, if she has to wear a black sack ... ?

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Posted: 01 December 2012 10:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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mid atlantic - 30 November 2012 09:37 PM
TimB - 30 November 2012 09:12 PM

There was a sort of funny (if it weren’t also tragic) side link on the one that you posted.  A young woman and a young man were at an amusement park in Saudi Arabia, and a “religious-cop”, (yes they apparently have cops that make sure women are following the religion), a “religious-cop” stopped them and demanded identity to show that the young woman and the young man were related. (A woman is not to be in public places without a male relative in escort.) The young man passed out.  The young woman beat up the “religious-cop”.

Unfortunately she, now, faces the possibility of a lashing and a long prison sentence.

It seems weird that they have amusement parks in Saudi Arabia.

 

They’re for tourists and Saudi men.  Obviously Saudi women are not welcome.  I am behind this woman for doing the right thing, but it will do no good.  Maybe she should have dressed as a Western tourist.  The religious cops would have left her alone.  All Muslim women should join together, burn their burkhas and stand up for themselves.

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Posted: 01 December 2012 12:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Quoting Lois: 

All Muslim women should join together, burn their burkhas and stand up for themselves.

I’m sure a major problem is that most of the women who have been taught since childhood they are inferior to men and belong to them, fervently believe that crap themselves. 

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Posted: 01 December 2012 12:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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The problem is, Occam, that if you are a woman and you live in the Pashtun mountains or in the desert, you are inferior. That is, physically inferior. And you better believe it.

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Posted: 01 December 2012 05:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Thevillageatheist - 01 December 2012 08:51 AM

Here’s a thought and being the egalitarian that I am, tit for tat as we say, all Muslim males upon reaching puberty will be fitted with a cod lock to prevent fornication. The key will be given to the woman to which they are betrothed and after the marriage rite she officially unlocks her hubby’s thingy to do the deed. if divorce happens, she locks him back up and hands the key to the next Missus to be. hey, if she has to wear a black sack ... ?

Sounds good to me. As it stands in Muslim countries it’s the victims of male aggression who get locked up and the perpetrators who roam freely. Nothing like protecting the women from the excesses of the men.  This is the kind of thing that happens in patriarchal, dictatorial societies where victims have no rights.

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Posted: 01 December 2012 05:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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George - 01 December 2012 12:31 PM

The problem is, Occam, that if you are a woman and you live in the Pashtun mountains or in the desert, you are inferior. That is, physically inferior. And you better believe it.

If you are a Muslim woman in any society you are inferior. That’s the way Muslim men want it. It isn’t that far from how christian women have been treated over the millennia. It’s only recently that women have been able to get out from under male domination. Many are still under it and have been indoctrinated to think they should stay there. This is true even of modern, educated Western women who should know better. Just take a look at Republican wives.

Incidentally, physical strength has nothing to do with superiority or inferiority except in primitive societies. Women have shown many times over that their actual physical strength is superior to men’s, as is their ability to survive, bear and protect children. The only reason men have been able to have the upper hand is that they can knock women around. That certainly shows their superiority, doesn’t it? If men were truly superior, intellectually as well as in terms of brute force, they would know and appreciate the value of the women in their societies. Unfortunately, that is seldom the case. Men equate brute force with superiority. That has been the root of the problems in societies the world over.

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Lois - 01 December 2012 05:47 PM
George - 01 December 2012 12:31 PM

The problem is, Occam, that if you are a woman and you live in the Pashtun mountains or in the desert, you are inferior. That is, physically inferior. And you better believe it.

If you are a Muslim woman in any society you are inferior. That’s the way Muslim men want it. It isn’t that far from how christian women have been treated over the millennia. It’s only recently that women have been able to get out from under male domination. Many are still under it and have been indoctrinated to think they should stay there. This is true even of modern, educated Western women who should know better. Just take a look at Republican wives.

Incidentally, physical strength has nothing to do with superiority or inferiority except in primitive societies. Women have shown many times over that their actual physical strength is superior to men’s, as is their ability to survive, bear and protect children. The only reason men have been able to have the upper hand is that they can knock women around. That certainly shows their superiority, doesn’t it? If men were truly superior, intellectually as well as in terms of brute force, they would know and appreciate the value of the women in their societies. Unfortunately, that is seldom the case. Men equate brute force with superiority. That has been the root of the problems in societies the world over.

You might get some disagreements on minor points, or maybe not.  Mostly, though, I think you are preaching to the choir.  (At least, I think a lot of us are in your choir.) So, preach on.

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Posted: 01 December 2012 07:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Incidentally, physical strength has nothing to do with superiority or inferiority except in primitive societies. Women have shown many times over that their actual physical strength is superior to men’s, as is their ability to survive, bear and protect children. The only reason men have been able to have the upper hand is that they can knock women around. That certainly shows their superiority, doesn’t it? If men were truly superior, intellectually as well as in terms of brute force, they would know and appreciate the value of the women in their societies. Unfortunately, that is seldom the case. Men equate brute force with superiority. That has been the root of the problems in societies the world over.


Yes there are physical differences between men and women when it comes down to brute strength. We obviously posess a different muscular structure, but women have been surviving in the mountains for thousands of years. However, brute force doesn’t denote superiority. The fact that I could lift my wife over my head and she couldn’t lift me off the ground didn’t make me superior, only stronger. Women can and have served in the military in combat situations that called for courage and cunning. In short, they can be as billigerent and blood thirsty as any male. The problem is being born into a culture that promotes the idea of overall female inferiority via a religious dogma (some god has cursed them or relegated them to a position of inferiority), or cultural trappings such as restricted clothing styles that sets them apart. Hey, we have it here too! Pentecostal women are required to wear ankle length dresses and not cut their hair. They wear it up in a bun called a “glory knot”. Men may dress any way they wish. Education is slowly eroding this primitive mindset even though the physical differences will remain. That’s why the Taliban pour acid on girls and even shoot them for attending school. It’s the only way to maintain their perceived superior status.

 

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