What is observation—- discussion summary:

Are descriptions of Being the same as observation of Being (practice);

Are Observation Movement Time relatives in the Cosmos Universe (concept)?

arnoldg - 01 December 2012 02:27 PM

WHAT IS OBSERVATION

‘OBSERVATION’ is a word written in capitals.

[del]Try just one thougth

I’ll try.  Observation (broadly speaking) is the behavior we are engaging in when we percieve something.  It is our primary way of interfacing with our environment.

How’s that?

What is interfacing for then

Survival.

We may be describing movement, are descriptions of movement separate from what observation is

arnoldg - 01 December 2012 02:27 PM

WHAT IS OBSERVATION

In what context?

In terms of consciousness it’s perception. Being aware of what’s happening at any moment.

Is that what you mean by observation?

arnoldg - 01 December 2012 04:13 PM

We may be describing movement, are descriptions of movement separate from what observation is

Maybe it’s just how “observation” operates. We detect light waves, sound waves, tactile sensations, our own movement in space, all seemingly requiring something to move.  (Though there is not much movement when we “observe” our own thoughts, other than certain patterns of neurons firing.)

I don’t comprehend the part about “separate from what observation is”.

Lois and Timb. Is the means and comprehension of thought separate from observation,
could we include feeling, sensation, nature, the known world, all these movements as separate from observation and time?

thanks ag

arnoldg - 01 December 2012 09:37 PM

Lois and Timb. Is the means and comprehension of thought separate from observation,
could we include feeling, sensation, nature, the known world, all these movements as separate from observation and time?

thanks ag

Is the means and comprehension of thought separate from observation?
I don’t see how we could ever come to have thoughts or comprehension without also being able to “observe” in some way.

Could we include feeling, sensation, nature, the known world, all these movements as separate from observation…?
I struggled to imagine how… but came up with “no”.

...and time?
I am no physicist, but I asked a question, once, about “empty space” and was told that there is no such thing, but also, as I recall, there was something about time being movement of something (as opposed to nothing) in space. IOW, as I understood it, if absolutely nothing in our universe moved, then “time” would not exist.  So, again, I don’t think so.

I presume that you have a different take on this, and perhaps a non-traditional definition of “observation”?

even imagination perception and words could be expressions of movement, but; existence is, not unlike observation and is another topic, observation is seeing movement, not a function of movement, yes?

arnoldg - 03 December 2012 12:33 PM

... observation is seeing movement, not a function of movement, yes?

I certainly think that there are things that move, that no one sees.  But movement is involved in seeing.  If there were no movement in the universe, it would be impossible to do observation.

BTW, I still don’t have a clue as to what you are getting at.

at,understanding subjectiveity and objectiveity toward oneself

arnoldg - 03 December 2012 01:56 PM

at,understanding subjective and objective toward oneself

Can you elaborate on the context of what you are thinking?

I am trying to use this forum/topic to understand if observation is always more than what seeing is,  does it represent a limit of thinking by reason or faith