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THE QURAN AND RATIONALISM
Posted: 09 December 2012 09:28 PM   [ Ignore ]
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MATERIALISM AND THE CONCEPT OF CREATION

It was for facing the unanswerable questions which
were encountered by mere materialism that the theory of
dialectical materialism was formulated. Karl Marx was the
founder of this concept. The crux of this theory is that new
things and species emerge from the contradictions within the
varying forms of matter. Those unaffected by lapses of the
intellect can only find themselves lost in the jargon of the
philosophers of dialectical materialism who try in vain to
reconcile themselves to the idea that there exists a dualism
between the tree and its seed, the mother and her child, and
the hen and her eggs; that the mango is, in fact, the very
negation of the mango-tree and that the egg is similarly the
negation of the hen herself.The Holy Quran has, however, explicitly stated that
all material things, including the plant-animal species were
created by God in pairs. Indeed, the world of matter owes its
sustenance and progress to the co-operative and symbiotic
nature of the creatures that have been created in pairs with
all the rich diversity that they represent in themselves. The
Divinely ordained sense of mutuality and co-operation is, in
fact, the projection of the grandest norm in nature; never the
contradictory insinuation begotten of perverted minds. To a
keen observer of the pairs that exists in nature, the hard fact
of experience is that it is, indeed, the sense of co-operation
which permeates the vivid variety and not the conflicting
contradictions, that form the summum bonum of nature. If
the evolution of the plants and the animals had all occurred
merely as a product of chance happenings and not through
the agency of a purposeful planning, it stands contrary to all
the laws of causality that the entire range of Genus and Species
should have evolved in pairs. The rationalists have mocked
at the religious view using the old story of a pope who had
grossly miscalculated the age of the earth. However, the Holy
Quran has not spoken of anything that may seem irrational
when it comes to the same subject. There is nothing
unbelievable, whatsoever, in the Quranic statement that the
universe was created in six stages. Another declaration of
the Holy Quran has been that of the earth and the heavens
being one unit of creation before God rent them asunder.
Indeed, this assertion, in an age where there was not the
slightest notion of the intricate relationship between the origins
of the heavenly bodies and the earth, stands as one of the
most lasting and powerful testimonies to the super-human
quality of the Holy Quran.
The reference to the two easts and two wests as well
as to the rotation of the day around the night and the rotation
of the night around the day are, indeed, proofs of the superhuman
nature of the Holy Quran. These statements do not,
in any way, refer to the flat or stationary nature of the earth.Indeed, the Holy Quran points to an earth that is round and
rotating.
Although some amongst the rationalists regard with
contempt the statement of the Holy Quran to the effect that
the mountains are the pegs that maintain the equilibrium of
the earth, the seismographic studies carried out by soviet
experts on the formation of lunar craters created by the impact
of falling debris have led to the clear fact of the solid
foundation which the mountains provide the earth with. The
structure of the mountains which run deep into the earth as
well as the role of the mountains in preserving the balance of
the earth - both are, today, the subjects of deep study. The
Holy Quran which refers to the sun as a lamp and the moon
as a light indicates the profound idea of astronomy which
would never have been known to any Arab of the seventh
century. The sun does, indeed, burn like a lamp. The moon
but reflects the light that falls upon it.

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Posted: 09 December 2012 09:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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MAN - IN THE QURAN AND RATIONALISM

An, in the view of the rationalists, is but a species that
emanated from a succeeding generation of the primates which
coincidentally lost the tail, had the spinal cord erect and the
structure of the jaw bone altered. The Holy Quran, however,
helps man in discovering himself by pointing out the wonderful
aspects of the human creation while highlighting the peaks of greatness that man can achieve as the most special, most
beautiful and incomparable creation of God even as he can
equally plunge to the depths and degradations of the darkness
that is also before him.
“Behold! thy Lord said to the angels: ‘I will create
a vicegerent on earth.”(H.Q. 2:30)
The Holy Quran recounts the declaration of God in
connection with the creation of the first man: “And He taught
Adam the name of all things..”(H.Q. 2:31)
God enabled him in understanding the name and nature
of all things and to master all in a fashion that aided him in
the free fulfillment of his mission on earth.
The Quran presents a very believable study of the
nature in which man, of all the tens of thousands of animals,
came into possession of the independent faculties and
tremendous knowledge which are to be found in none of the
others. Perhaps it is for traditional science to say that the
stump of the lost tail of the ancestor further evolved into the
ability and knowledge of man!
“The Most Gracious! It is He Who has taught the
Quran. He has created man : He has taught him an
intelligent speech.” (H.Q. 55:1-4)
“Proclaim! And thy Lord is most Bountiful, He
Who taught (the use of) the Pen” (H.Q. 96:3,4)
In making man really a man, in making man a civilized
being, in making man a man of the letters, in making man a
scientist, in all such cases words and writings play a crucial
role all of their own. Not since time immemorial has a single
one of the animals that inhabit the face of the earth in their
tens of thousands ever uttered a word of a speech. Never
have they made pictures or letters. It is only man, and man
alone, who actually did both. And both combined to provide
his life with an incomparable richness and vista of breathtaking
vision. He was thus made the leader - the Khalifa - of
the earth. Amongst the animals, it is only man who has
employed the means of his transportation. It was he, and he
alone, who wore clothes. In this context, too, it is but a very
believable account which the Holy Quran presents.
“We have indeed created man in the best of
moulds, Then do We abase him (to be) the lowest of the
low” (H.Q. 95:4-5)
It is only when man submits his great abilities to a life
of service that his existence finds its highest fulfillment and
joy. When those same abilities are used in hurting and
exploiting, man degrades himself to levels below that of the
animals. In which other book can we find such an authoritative
and factual exposition of the intricacies of human nature?
Indeed, the Quranic vision of the objective of human life is
rational; is ennobling and of the highest standard. The man
who submit his whole life to God while on the sound soil of
goodness, has already vouchsafed, as it were, the eternal
nobility of existence both during his sojourn in this world as
well as in the life hereafter. It is peace of mind and true
satisfaction of the self which ennobles the life of a believer in
God. The blessing of God forms his shelter and retreat in this
world as well as in Paradise. All the seeming losses incurred
by a believer is then turned into the highest gains. All sacrifices
made are transformed into the greatest achievements. As for
the rationalist, he ends up being a fool who wasted an entire
lifetime for yet other fools like himself. The rationalist shows
no hesitation, whatsoever, in attaining martyrdom as a member
of a cohesive group that would strive for a better tomorrow
even at the cost of their own lives. He has nothing to gain no
matter whose head it is above which will rise this dawn of a
good, or a bad, tomorrow. According to the rationalists, with
his death any leader of a non-zero stature ends up as a zero
after all. All the wreaths, memorials and reminders that follow
are but myths, deception and the masks of hypocritical
pretension. There is, however, one consolation: that he has
not died; that he yet lives on in the hearts of millions of the
masses. Indeed, Rationalism is nothing but the vain attempt
to redress the rags of rebirth in a coloured and misleading
hue. The rationality of the idea that the soul of the leader
lives on after his death within the hearts of the people has not
been established in the scriptures of rationalist philosophy. In
any event, it is the picture of the greater leader of equality
standing out, like a set of protruding teeth, in a virtual
graveyard of equality itself. A much bigger zero amongst a
gathering of zeroes.

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Posted: 09 December 2012 09:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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MISUNDERSTANDINGS, ACCUSATIONS

Islam promotes human sacrifices and other
superstitions.’ ‘Islam opposes the equality of women.’ ‘Islam
has maintained slavery.’ The rationalists have attacked Islam
with such and similar accusations. Where has the Holy Quran
encouraged human scarifices? In fact, the Quran contains the
reference to the test of Ibrahim’s willingness to sacrifice all
before God, to the fact that he did not have to sacrifice his
son and, instead, was only commanded by Allah to sacrifice
an animal as a symbolic gesture. It is difficult to understand
the exact portion here which is found to be unacceptable by
the rationalists. If it is the opposition to the idea of sacrifice
itself, it is indeed a most irrational stand. All of past history
as well as contemporary events testify to the fact that it is
only those who are prepared to sacrifice all their things of
value, including their lives, who will ultimately attain an
eventual and lasting victory. A warrior is always faced with
the very real possibility of sacrificing his own life. Sometimes
it will be his limbs that will have to be sacrificed. Whether in
play or in seriousness many sacrifices will be required to
attain victory.
While a believer in religion is always alive to, and
conscious of, the value of sacrifice, a rationalist but tends to
fall in a swoon in the event of having to make one himself.
There is the least consternation on the side of the
rationalist if a man were to have illicit sexual relationship
with more than one woman, if he were to enjoy the sight of
the naked female body and if he were to make a merchandise
of feminine charms. No such concern has, to date, been voiced
or witnessed. The wife at home, the stenographer in the office,
the guide in the journey, the call-girl at the hotel…. this list of
plural female relationships has never been seen to have come
in for the criticism of the rationalists. There have even been
the rational giants who wrote about the idea that it is
scientifically and physiologically a necessity to give vent to
the impulses of the husband, who has been forced to starve
sexually owing to the pregnancy, delivery, or monthly periods
of his wife, at the caberrets. However, if a man were to accept
more than one wife lawfully, responsibly and in keeping with
justice, the rationalists come out with the view that this is a
perversion and a gross immorality. The Quran has,
conditionally, given the permission to marry upto four women.
However, Islam permits polygamy only to the person who is
certain that he will be able to show fairness to his wives.
Some rationalists immediately ask the question as to why it
was, then, that Islam disallowed polyandry? Polygamy is a
system which invariably guarantees the knowledge of the
identity of the father as well as the mother in the wedlock.
But, what of Polyandry? Here, the father figure is but a vague
representation. Clearly then, Islam allowed for a system that
identifies the father and the mother. To the dubious credit of
the rationalists, then, went the system which identifies not
the father.
When Islam made its re-entry onto the scene, slavery
was a system that was rampant not only within the precincts
of Arabia but also over all the other places on earth. Indeed,
It had become ingrained within the very civilizational and
economic ethos of that region. Thus it was that the messenger,
pledged as he was to the intellectual transformation of the
masses, sought first and foremost to remove the miseries that
had become the lot of the slaves. To this end, the services
rendered by the prophet and his followers stand beyond
enumeration. Indeed, the Quran declared that the first hurdle
in attaining to the Islamic solution for the problems facing
humanity was the abolition of slavery.
The Quran recommended the freeing of slaves as an
act of expiation for many a sin. Under no circumstances was
a Muslim to have the right to enslave a free man. Important
too, is the fact that the Quran has not prescribed the making
of slaves out of prisoners-of-war. In fact, the Quran has
instructed that they were either to be let off or to be held
solely for the ransom value they were worth.
Women’s right to inheritance has been yet another of
the points raised by the critics. But what of the economic
duty of the woman? It has become the habit of the critics,
now, to remain silent over that question. No matter what the
role of the woman-whether it be as a daughter, or a sister, a
wife or a mother or even a grand mother - Islam has never
imposed upon her the duty of meeting the family’s living
expenditure. The male who has come of age, however, is to
bear the burden of his own as well as his family’s cost of
living. It is only when this fact, too, is taken into account that
the real justice shown to women by Islam becomes easily
comprehensible. It is pertinent here to note the fact that C.P.
Shreedharan had greatly praised the all-encompassing and
just family laws of Islam in his exhaustive preface to the
comparative study of sexuality in different cultures in the
encyclopaedic work on sex education published by Moral

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Posted: 09 December 2012 09:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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You haven’t been banned yet?

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Posted: 10 December 2012 12:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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You were one step ahead of us, Darron.  smile

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Posted: 10 December 2012 03:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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You know it would help immensely if you atheists didn’t immediately resort to underhanded play to squelch opposing viewpoints. Instead of threatening banishment of the Muslim poster why not instead use reasoned argument to answer his Muslim propaganda? Or don’t you have reasoned argument to offer against Islam? Here’s a start from a Christian: Muhammad’s Islam is irrational in that it seeks to freeze human knowledge and human society at Muhammad’s time and place, i.e. 7th century Arabia and 7th century Arabian cultural values which when dragged into the 21st century create the social violence seen on our TV screens most every day in Muslim lands. If not at war with non-Muslims, Muslims attack and kill each other. The history of Islam shows this plainly with no end in sight. This is how to criticize a religion that over a billion people follow instead of doing what you guys do—which is the fundamentalist option of either slandering the targeted religionist or censoring them. That doesn’t do a damn thing to change Muslim minds—only rational argument will eventually win through religious propaganda so why not use it?

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Posted: 10 December 2012 03:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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arielmessenger - 10 December 2012 03:54 PM

—only rational argument will eventually win through religious propaganda so why not use it?

Because the OP was not interested in rational argument, he just wanted to lecture.

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Posted: 10 December 2012 08:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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You know it would help immensely if you atheists didn’t immediately resort to underhanded play to squelch opposing viewpoints.

In case you haven’t noticed, “Spreadtruth’s” post is still there.

The offence, as DarronS has pointed out, is that the poster doesn’t discuss, he lectures and preaches.

In light of just how windy and lengthy his posts are, it occurs to me that he’s cutting and pasting all of it from somewhere else, without giving due credit to the source or asking permission from the source.

This is known as a copyright violation which is illegal.

You DO understand the signifigence of “Illegal” I hope.

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Posted: 10 December 2012 09:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Flimsy excuses for petty prejudice against the way a Muslim presents his beliefs that you want to make him jump through your hoops when he’s obviously doing the standard
Muslim expression of Muslin beliefs. If you can’t deal with Muslims on this forum maybe that will stop and make you think about Westerners and their failures in dealing with Muslims worldwide and the reasons for it.

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Posted: 10 December 2012 11:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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AM, what you see as petty prejudice is in reality a lack of interest in trying to tie Theism (of any kind) to Rationalism. 
You must realy learn to let go of your passive aggression.

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Posted: 11 December 2012 06:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Flimsy excuses for petty prejudice against the way a Muslim presents his beliefs that you want to make him jump through your hoops when he’s obviously doing the standard
Muslim expression of Muslin beliefs. If you can’t deal with Muslims on this forum maybe that will stop and make you think about Westerners and their failures in dealing with Muslims worldwide and the reasons for it.

Evasive, non-responsive, and irrelevant to the points made.

And in case you’ve failed to notice it…(And you obviously HAVE failed to notice it) this is in fact a forum dedicated to rationalism and critical thinking.

If spreadtruth wants to persuade anybody here of anything, he’s going to have to do vastly better then preach and brainlessly toe the line. We’ve heard it before.

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Posted: 11 December 2012 07:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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You just prove my criticisms, especially the one where I point out atheist fundamentalist mindset clearly visible at work here as I see the same, exactly the same type of fundamentalist religious name-calling, slander, and Avoidance of rational debate of your opponents. I’m surprised I haven’t been banned yet here actually as I meet the same
flak when I post criticisms here I’ve met for years on Christian forums. You guys just talk to yourselves too much and don’t see what you do and thereby maintain your illusions, in your cases, the illusion of “rationality”. I destroyed that one by pointing out your atheist fundamentalist mindset that refuses to look at the scientific record of human brain research or the human record of overwhelming religious interest which none of you can explain, only name call the one who points out your lack of reasoned arguments.

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arielmessenger - 11 December 2012 07:11 AM

I destroyed that one by pointing out your atheist fundamentalist mindset that refuses to look at the scientific record of human brain research or the human record of overwhelming religious interest which none of you can explain, only name call the one who points out your lack of reasoned arguments.

Speaking of lack of reasoned arguments, where is that research? What part of the human brain connects to the spiritual realm? Several people have explained religious interest to you, but you refuse to acknowledge their responses.

[ Added a missing bracket to clarify the quotation marking. - Oc]

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Posted: 11 December 2012 11:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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You just prove my criticisms

Wrong. (As usual) I’ve shown the opposite.

especially the one where I point out atheist fundamentalist mindset…

Get this through your skull: there is no such thing as atheist fundamentalism.

clearly visible at work here as I see the same, exactly the same type of fundamentalist religious name-calling, slander, and Avoidance of rational debate of your opponents.

No sir…or ma’am. Whichever the case may be. You have been rebutted and refuted. There’s a difference between that and personal attack and censorship which you obviously don’t understand or obtusely refuse to grasp.

flak when I post criticisms here I’ve met for years on Christian forums. You guys just talk to yourselves too much and don’t see what you do and thereby maintain your illusions, in your cases, the illusion of “rationality”. I destroyed that one by pointing out your atheist fundamentalist mindset

there is no such thing as atheist fundamentalism. Beyond that, you’ve destroyed nothing. All you continue to do is repeat the same mantra and try to play the persecution card.

that refuses to look at the scientific record of human brain research or the human record of overwhelming religious interest which none of you can explain, only name call the one who points out your lack of reasoned arguments.

The science shows that religiousity, like all fantasy comes from the brain. There is no evidence for the existance or involvement of any god or gods.

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Posted: 11 December 2012 01:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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The real discussion arising after the initial unwarranted lecture seems to circle around the fact that some people can not distinguish between that which is testable and verifiable, and that which requires faith.

Asking for evidence is not “fundamentalism”, it is simply asking for some evidence of reality.  Playing disparagement games like “atheist fundamentalist” is purely an act of malicious propaganda in my book.

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Posted: 11 December 2012 02:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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DarronS - 11 December 2012 07:16 AM
arielmessenger - 11 December 2012 07:11 AM

I destroyed that one by pointing out your atheist fundamentalist mindset that refuses to look at the scientific record of human brain research or the human record of overwhelming religious interest which none of you can explain, only name call the one who points out your lack of reasoned arguments.

Speaking of lack of reasoned arguments, where is that research? What part of the human brain connects to the spiritual realm? Several people have explained religious interest to you, but you refuse to acknowledge their responses.

[ Added a missing bracket to clarify the quotation marking. - Oc]

No, Darron, none of you has given a logical answer to the scientific facts I posted that prove the atheist position is quite wrong and jumping to false conclusions based on not looking at the evidence: I cited the brain science facts that our human brains are hardwired to receive spiritual stimulation and where is your atheist explanation for that? And please, don’t hand us the false rebuttal “there is no spiritual stimulation” bullshit because I’ve experienced it enough times to know it is real and physical besides mental. Some of us shake when spiritual revelation hits us. I sweated profusely like Muhammad whenever a new revelation hit my mind as I went through my own three day Road to Damascus religious conversion experience. You ask what part of the brain is involved and right off the bat one can point to the right hemisphere and I can almost predict that atheist brains have fewer nerve bundles in their corpus collossum’s bridge between the two brain hemispheres because it looks very much like that part of the right brain that registers spiritual phenomena in atheist brains is not functioning-due to left-brain domination shrinking right brain access.

Do not tell me again any of you that you’ve answered my challenge questions to you because I’m still waiting here for your answer why evolution has made our brains capable of receiving spiritual input.

And I am still waiting for your explanation why there is over 40,000 unbroken years of intense human interest in spiritual phenomena when you atheists say there is nothing there and yet you can’t explain why our brains are evolved to process “nothing”.

Atheism is dead to any thinking person who knows the difference between the scientific method and atheist fundamentalist made up minds ignoring facts that contradict the belief system held by refusal to look at the evidence. But I know all of you atheists have your egos invested in this failed philosophy so I expect what I get which is the same kind of fundamentalist mindset that calls names instead of giving reasoned argument. Provide the reasoned arguments for the questions posed above and I will stop pointing out your illusion of answering a theist challenge.

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