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Posted: 01 January 2013 08:25 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Dears,

I am investigating a way to make an engine that can run continuously. Currently, my result is so positive.

1. Tools and facilities:
- The main component of this model is a wooden toy with dragonfly shape. Its head is a rectangle which is curved upward, with long tail
- A sharp pillar
- A medium sizes magnet (In attached screenshot it is the round and black piece)
- A tiny magnet

2. Model
- Stick the tiny magnet under the tail of dragonfly shaped specimen. The gravity of magnet makes this specimen settles down toward the tail.
- Then, touch the sharp peak of the rectangle head of the specimen very slightly into the top of the pillar. It makes the balance status of this dragonfly toy is very unstable. It is very easy to drop down as seen in attached screenshot
- Put the medium sized magnet at the base of the pillar so that its upward pole is the same as the downward pole of the tiny one (i.e. south to south, or north to north), and they are face to face as shown in attached screenshot
- Keep the whole system in an insolated room, with all doors and windows are closed to prevent air wing influence.

3. Operation:
- The attraction force between 2 magnets makes the tail of the specimen is pulled down slightly, before it is up again. Then a new period starts with the up and down movement of the specimen tail, again and again etc.
- The position of the medium sized magnet is adjustable so that it can give best result to the movement of the specimen. If the distance between magnets is so far, the force intensity is so weak to result in movement. Otherwise, the strong attraction force from the medium sized will also prevent the specimen from moving.

I let my model there overnight to make sure that there is no stopping. And luckily it does not stop until now.

I post my article here so that any interesting individual can follow and replicate my experiments.

All of my expectation that you can contact me and replicate my experiment

You can view my clip on youtube for reference

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4weSLjuvok&feature=youtu.be


Thinh from Vietnam

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Posted: 01 January 2013 09:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Hi, nice toy. Perpetual motion is impossible. Eventually, everything stops.

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Posted: 02 January 2013 10:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Right.  Read an elementary physics book about the second law of thermodynamics and entropy.  I’ve always found it disgusting, LOL  but it’s the real world, just as Asanta says.

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Posted: 02 January 2013 11:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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There used to be a bobbing bird toy that did pretty much the same thing.

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Posted: 02 January 2013 08:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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advocatus - 02 January 2013 11:57 AM

There used to be a bobbing bird toy that did pretty much the same thing.

It was a heat engine. Water evaporated from the head.

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Posted: 02 January 2013 09:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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asanta - 01 January 2013 09:02 PM

Hi, nice toy. Perpetual motion is impossible. Eventually, everything stops.

Actually it does not stop. I let it in isolated room, and visits it randomly to se that it still vibrates

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Posted: 02 January 2013 09:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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advocatus - 02 January 2013 11:57 AM

There used to be a bobbing bird toy that did pretty much the same thing.

Yes, and it also stops eventually.

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Posted: 03 January 2013 10:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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The magnets create periodic motion after the dragonfly has had some force applied to it, but energy will be lost over time due to friction from the joint and air. The dragonfly looks so light that even the gust of air from opening the door or an air current flowing under the closed door could set it in motion again.

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Posted: 03 January 2013 09:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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domokato - 03 January 2013 10:44 AM

The magnets create periodic motion after the dragonfly has had some force applied to it, but energy will be lost over time due to friction from the joint and air. The dragonfly looks so light that even the gust of air from opening the door or an air current flowing under the closed door could set it in motion again.

I also think about it when performing the experiment. Below are my checking:

1. All windows and doors of the room are closed.

2. When I removed the magnet, the toy stays motionlessly

3. When I put the magnet to its position again as seen in attached image, the dragonfly begins to swing and keeps this state over days.

Is there anything missing in my actions? All opinions are welcomed

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Posted: 03 January 2013 09:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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thinhnghiem - 03 January 2013 09:19 PM

3. When I put the magnet to its position again as seen in attached image, the dragonfly begins to swing and keeps this state over days.

Is there anything missing in my actions? All opinions are welcomed

Days ≠ perpetual motion.

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Posted: 04 January 2013 10:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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thinhnghiem - 03 January 2013 09:19 PM

Is there anything missing in my actions? All opinions are welcomed

The magnet will eventually run out of its strength and the motion will stop.

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Posted: 04 January 2013 05:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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While it appears tricky with the magnets, what you’ve set up is a pendulum.  If you could measure over time the arc the unit is traversing, you would find that it would be getting smaller and smaller, albeit extremely slowly.  You supplied the energy when you started it.  Each cycle of it moving through the air causes a very tiny bit of that energy to be drained through air being moved.  I can take a long time, but eventually you’ll see the swing getting shorter and shorter.

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Posted: 05 January 2013 12:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Or interaction with air currents will keep it going.

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Posted: 07 January 2013 08:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Occam. - 04 January 2013 05:28 PM

While it appears tricky with the magnets, what you’ve set up is a pendulum.  If you could measure over time the arc the unit is traversing, you would find that it would be getting smaller and smaller, albeit extremely slowly.  You supplied the energy when you started it.  Each cycle of it moving through the air causes a very tiny bit of that energy to be drained through air being moved.  I can take a long time, but eventually you’ll see the swing getting shorter and shorter.

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Yes, the swing getting shorter and shorter. But it does not go to permanent stop eventually. It’s slow down to a threshold and remains this status for days

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Posted: 07 January 2013 09:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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thinhnghiem - 07 January 2013 08:46 PM

Yes, the swing getting shorter and shorter. But it does not go to permanent stop eventually. It’s slow down to a threshold and remains this status for days

‘For Days’ is still far, far from non-stop.

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Posted: 08 January 2013 05:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Everyone has spelled out the problem here very well but this person doesn’t seem to understand the logic and wants to believe in magic.

One small but important point here. The word machine is defined as something that does work. Doing work by definition requires the use of energy so unless you add energy to a working machine it will eventually run out of energy and stop. Even in a perfect world where you could eliminate all forms of of friction and resistance you could never have a perpetual motion machine because you can’t do work without the consumption of energy. You could have a perpetual motion object ( Like a galaxy moving through the universe or in a fantasy world, a pinwheel spinning in a perfect vacuum on an impossibly frictionless pivot) but not a machine.

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