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Posted: 04 January 2013 01:55 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Form those who are out to improve US Social Welfare policy this is a most interesting article from of all place Foreing Affairs:

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/138483/kimberly-j-morgan/americas-misguided-approach-to-social-welfare

It examines the mix of ” govenmemt spending, tax-based subsidies, and private social spending” in ways that you don’t normally encounter.  When all these things are taken into accout it states that the US has the 5th hightest social spending in the world, just below Sweden.  It also goes into where some of this is misdirected and discusses how some of these shortcomings cam be corrected, espically in Health Care and housing.

IMO, well worth the read.

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Posted: 05 January 2013 04:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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I can’t read the whole article, and I’m not going to sign up for it, but I can imagine some things that we misspend on.

The military industrial complex, prisons, public entertainment, come to mind.

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Posted: 05 January 2013 07:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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mid atlantic - 05 January 2013 04:43 AM

I can’t read the whole article, and I’m not going to sign up for it, but I can imagine some things that we misspend on.

The military industrial complex, prisons, public entertainment, come to mind.

Public Entertainment ?

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Posted: 06 January 2013 12:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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macgyver - 05 January 2013 07:24 AM
mid atlantic - 05 January 2013 04:43 AM

I can’t read the whole article, and I’m not going to sign up for it, but I can imagine some things that we misspend on.

The military industrial complex, prisons, public entertainment, come to mind.

Public Entertainment ?

By this I mean art galleries, sports stadiums, museums, public broadcasting, etc.

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Posted: 06 January 2013 06:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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By this I mean art galleries, sports stadiums, museums, public broadcasting, etc.


I can understand your stance on sports stadiums, most of them are partially funded by the city they’re built in, but museums, PBS and art galleries? I call that money well spent IMO. It furthers public education and we need that more than ever, especially the museums that depend on public donations as well. BTW, the best palentological exibits I’ve ever seen are in the Carneigie Museum in Pittsburgh, better in fact than the Smithsonian. And what about the Met in NY? That’s definitely not money misspent.

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Posted: 06 January 2013 06:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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That quote thingy is screwing up again or I’m not doing something right.

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Posted: 06 January 2013 06:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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mid atlantic - 06 January 2013 12:35 AM
macgyver - 05 January 2013 07:24 AM
mid atlantic - 05 January 2013 04:43 AM

I can’t read the whole article, and I’m not going to sign up for it, but I can imagine some things that we misspend on.

The military industrial complex, prisons, public entertainment, come to mind.

Public Entertainment ?

By this I mean art galleries, sports stadiums, museums, public broadcasting, etc.

Wow. Sports stadiums I will agree is entertainment, but art galeries, museums, and public broadcasting are education, not entertainment.

Was 1st grade entertaining? Seriously!

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Posted: 06 January 2013 06:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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jj - 06 January 2013 06:44 AM

... art galeries, museums, and public broadcasting are education, not entertainment.

excaim

Not to mention, the amount the government spends on these things amounts to a rounding error on the budget. They are fiscally meaningless.

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Posted: 06 January 2013 07:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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dougsmith - 06 January 2013 06:51 AM
jj - 06 January 2013 06:44 AM

... art galeries, museums, and public broadcasting are education, not entertainment.

excaim

Not to mention, the amount the government spends on these things amounts to a rounding error on the budget. They are fiscally meaningless.

Yeah, they amount to a very small slice, but; money is money.

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Posted: 06 January 2013 07:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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mid atlantic - 05 January 2013 04:43 AM

I can’t read the whole article, and I’m not going to sign up for it, but I can imagine some things that we misspend on.

The military industrial complex, prisons, public entertainment, come to mind.

Public Entertainment ?

By this I mean art galleries, sports stadiums, museums, public broadcasting, etc.

Wow. Sports stadiums I will agree is entertainment, but art galeries, museums, and public broadcasting are education, not entertainment.

Was 1st grade entertaining? Seriously!

Meh, I disagree. Art galleries, museums and public broadcasting only really appeal to “nerds” and the elderly.

Those people can pay out of pocket.

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Posted: 06 January 2013 07:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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mid atlantic - 06 January 2013 07:14 AM

Yeah, they amount to a very small slice, but; money is money.

This is absurd. It is money well spent on public education. Indeed, if anything the government should spend more on making public TV and public museums more available and with better programming.

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Posted: 06 January 2013 07:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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mid atlantic - 06 January 2013 07:14 AM

Yeah, they amount to a very small slice, but; money is money.

This is absurd. It is money well spent on public education. Indeed, if anything the government should spend more on making public TV and public museums more available and with better programming.

OK, you can pay for it, not me though.

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Posted: 06 January 2013 07:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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mid atlantic - 06 January 2013 07:39 AM

OK, you can pay for it, not me though.

It’s immaterial. You wouldn’t notice a difference in your tax bill either way.

This is the kind of smokescreen that conservatives love pump out, as though it were actually relevant to the budget discussion. In fact, the problem for conservatives is that these fora for public education end up actually making the public a little smarter and more secular, taking up time that might otherwise be used for reading the Bible or Ayn Rand.

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Posted: 06 January 2013 07:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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mid atlantic - 06 January 2013 07:39 AM
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mid atlantic - 06 January 2013 07:14 AM

Yeah, they amount to a very small slice, but; money is money.

This is absurd. It is money well spent on public education. Indeed, if anything the government should spend more on making public TV and public museums more available and with better programming.

OK, you can pay for it, not me though.

Come on now mid. We all know thats not the way democracy works. We all have a say but once we decide to do something we don’t get to make individual decisions about participation. Just as you can’t opt out of paying for roads and bridges, you can’t opt out of paying for other projects that the majority have approved. Nothing would ever get done if it worked that way.

If you really think these things are a waste then campaign to do away with them. Otherwise you just have to pony up.

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Posted: 06 January 2013 08:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Meh, I disagree. Art galleries, museums and public broadcasting only really appeal to “nerds” and the elderly.

Those people can pay out of pocket.


Hey Mike, watch who you’re calling an elderly nerd! On second thought, I resemble that remark and declare it proudly. And these institutions should appeal to everyone. Education isn’t just for nerds but should be utilized for all students of life. And BTW, people do partially pay for these, especially for museums via admissions, outreach programs, lectures, gift shop items such as books etc. Art galleries the same. And PBS has periodic pledge drives to augment federal subsidies. There’s many other ways to cut the deficit than to shut down areas of learning. Hell, we’re already hurting by spending cuts in education. Why not uncouple ourselves from the military-industrial complex and keep war from becoming so lucrative? Educate the poor, not turn them into soldiers.

 

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Posted: 06 January 2013 08:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Was 1st grade entertaining? Seriously!


What?? You didn’t find 1st grade entertaining?! I couldn’t wait to go to school every day. I learned French, how to draw more than a stick figure, how to recognize and write the alphabet, how to get along with other kids not my relatives, how to make friendships, the differences between boys and girls, girls didn’t like being pestered and they hit you when you did (that lesson stayed with me), what cafeteria food was like, fish on Fridays, an adult, other than your parents who really cared about you, the true definition of a bully, how to cuss properly and what some of the acronyms really mean, how butterflies emerge from larva (super cool even today), how to create buildings from blocks, what primary colors mean, really enjoying those two recesses by exercising on the monkey bars and what it feels like hanging upside down, what it means to run as fast as you can, making up games, the smell of freshly memiographed color sheets and how to color a pumpkin. And that was the first day! I can say that first grade was not only entertaining but enlightening and I wouldn’t trade it for a sports arena any day.

 

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