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Roswell Incident Part 5
Posted: 09 January 2013 12:00 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Liar, Liar, Your Truth is on Fire

Roswell Oxymoron: An Honest Ufologist

When it comes to the Roswell Incident, ever notice how ufologists who sell related books and DVD’s insist they only tell ‘the truth’? It’s never a case of them being ‘fairly certain’ or ‘pretty damn sure’. They claim they absolutely speak the truth, and yet ironically, they lie.

Take Jesse Marcel Sr. for instance. Although he passed away in 1986, the former intelligence major from Roswell Army Air Field who supposedly recovered a flying saucer in 1947 started telling ‘the truth’ about himself sometime during 1978.

Marcel apparently made many spectacular claims.
•  He earned a physics degree from George Washington University
•  He also attended LSU, NYU, and OSU
•  He shot down 5 enemy airplanes
•  He was an aid to General Hap Arnold
•  Hap Arnold decided Marcel should go to intelligence school
•  He was awarded 5 air medals
•  A pilot since 1928, he logged over 3,000 hours flying time
•  He wrote the report Truman read ‘on air’ confirming Russia’s 1st atomic detonation

Unfortunately for hapless boob Marcel, researcher Robert Todd acquired Marcel’s military records and, except for 2 air medals, proved his claims were lies. Predictably, people wondered—if Jesse Marcel Sr. would embellish his education and military record, did he bend ‘the truth’ about his flying saucer?

Still, ufologists tell us Marcel was an illustrious military officer. However, according to researcher Bruce Hutchison, Roswell’s base commander Colonel Blanchard ranked Jesse Marcel Sr. last or second-to-last compared to other officers in 509th.

Marcel Opened the Floodgates

When they realized the money they could make from a great hoax, other Roswell ufologists started concocting their own versions of ‘the truth’. Gerry Anderson’s ‘truth’ involved forging documents and a diary, and creating his phony ‘archaeologist’. Jim Ragsdale changed the location of his official flying saucer crash site at least once. Barney Barnett’s wife proved he was nowhere near the Plains of San Agustin during the second week of July 1947.

Glenn Dennis (one of the biggest Roswell B.S.ers) couldn’t remember the name of a mysterious nurse who told him ‘the truth’ about dead aliens at Roswell Army Air Field. In fact, his memory was so bad, he didn’t remember anything about the dead aliens or his nurse friend until Jesse Marcel Sr. got his ‘truth’ published in a 1978 edition of everyone’s favorite you-can-take-that-to-the-bank publication, the National Inquirer. What luck for ol’ Glenny—somehow the thought of fame and fortune jogged his memory.

NOTE: The fact Dennis co-owned a UFO museum is a conflict of interest—his Roswell claims are tainted.

Stan ‘the Buffoon’ Friedman’s truth included a forged MJ-12 document. Don ‘the Dope’ Schmitt kinda sorta omitted the truth about his credentials to his now ex-partner Kevin Randle.

Speaking of 2 of the most negligent Roswell researchers (and it’s no small trick to rise above other ufologists when it comes to negligence), Randle and Schmitt’s superstar witness Frank Kaufmann turned out to be a lot less than truthful. I wonder if Randle and Schmitt (neither of whom probably know how to spell the word ‘truth’) expect us to think they learned from their mistakes. I wonder if they now verify everything before reporting it. I wonder if we can trust them.

NOTE: Kaufmann’s fraudulent ‘truth’ resulted in a profitable book, but I doubt authors Randle and Schmitt gave refunds.

Not to be outdone by any of these other ufologists, Marcel started telling bigger ‘truths’ about his close encounter. He described the sticks from a demolished radar wind (rawin) target as wooden members from a sophisticated flying saucer. But wouldn’t you know it—skeptics (those darned noisy negativists) scoffed. They asked ridiculous questions like why wooden components would be present in, or part of, a sophisticated flying saucer.

Good thing his son Jesse Marcel Jr. set the record straight. Despite waking from a dead sleep at 1:00 or 2:00 a.m. to look at the load of crap his father brought home for all of 15 or 20 minutes in 1947, Jesse Jr. says the sticks were actually metallic I-beams. He remains the only first-hand witness who claimed to know ‘the truth’ about those beams.

Jesse Marcel Sr. also said the alien spacecraft must have exploded in midair because he walked the area in broad daylight and observed no sign of impact on the ground. However, we know the saucer made a gigantic gouge when it crashed because the all-knowing ufologists (although they weren’t there at the time and can’t even agree where the saucer crashed) claim they interviewed a guy who died 20 years ago but signed an affidavit stating he’d overheard an MP saying he and his friend were getting bombed at the officers mess when the friend or a drunk at another table mentioned something about a slight turf rupture at some ranch where there might have been a few sheep.

And Marcel never mentioned any high security effort to recover what he left behind at the sheep ranch, nor did he mention the airplane loads of flying saucer debris flown out of Roswell. However, we know what really happened because our esteemed ufologists have told us conflicting stories about what a big deal the saucer was that day. Or was it several saucers over several days?

Marcel must have also forgotten about all the dead (or maybe alive) aliens he found at the crash site (or maybe observed at the base during the autopsies). Again, thank heaven the ufologists corrected that oversight.

‘Truth’ Will Set You Free – Especially if it’s Profitable

And it doesn’t matter than none of these ufologists even heard of Roswell until 1978, 31 years later. All that matters is they’re setting us straight on ‘the truth’.

As a side note, Jesse Marcel Sr. was telling ‘the truth’ when he disclosed the results of the sledgehammer test—that the metal debris from his crashed saucer couldn’t be dented by a 16 pound sledgehammer. Of course he didn’t witness the test or say who performed the test or even explain why it proved he recovered a flying saucer. Nevertheless, I’m certain our honest friends the ufologists can dream up a suitable ‘truth’.
Source: UFOs Are Real (1979) Full Documentary, 37:00 minute mark on YouTube

In fact, they straightened out Jesse Marcel Sr. on another little point. According to ufologists who make money from the Roswell Hoax, err, I mean the Roswell Incident, Marcel Sr. did not tell the truth about the flying saucer debris at Ramey’s press conference. Marcel said the junk Ramey called ‘weather balloon debris’ and displayed at his press conference in Texas on July 8, was the same debris he (Marcel) retrieved a day earlier from the sheep ranch.

“The newsmen saw very little of the real material, very small portion of it. And none of the really important things like these members that had these hieroglyphics on them. They (the newsmen) wanted me to tell them about it and I couldn’t say anything. And when the General came in, he told me not to, to say anything—that he would handle it.”
Partial transcription of Jesse Marcel Sr.’s video interview. Source: UFOs Are Real (1979) Full Documentary, 39:30 minute mark on YouTube

Yep! Jesse Marcel Sr. said it was the same stuff but luckily ufologists like Dennis Balthaser, Jesse Marcel Jr., Stan ‘the Buffoon’ Friedman, Don ‘the Dope’ Schmitt, Rich Dolan, and Kevin Randle, all say the debris was switched as part of the cover-up conspiracy.

Thank heaven all these upstanding ufologists are willing to share ‘their contradictory truths’ because if the debris wasn’t switched, that would prove Jesse Marcel Sr. didn’t recover a flying saucer.

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Posted: 10 January 2013 11:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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I guess everyone needs a hobby, and you’ve certainly found one.  I do think you should take a step back and look at the forest instead of the trees.  At this point in history no amount of evidence, argument, testimony regarding Roswell will make one bit of difference as far as getting some kind of action to occur.  Take Global Climate change. There’s current and overwhelming evidence by respected scientists from every country on earth, and STILL it’s almost impossible to get governments to act.  So unless your motive is to seem like a knowledgeable expert to sell books or something, I suggest you spend your time, and you appear to have alot, on something more worthy a cause.

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Posted: 10 January 2013 11:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Are you suggesting I spend my time trying to raise awareness about climate change?

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Posted: 10 January 2013 09:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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That would benefit society more than spending time on the so-called Roswell Incident.

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Posted: 10 January 2013 09:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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How do you 2 know I don’t spend a lot of my time raising awareness about climate change?

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Posted: 10 January 2013 09:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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garyjones - 10 January 2013 09:27 PM

How do you 2 know I don’t spend a lot of my time raising awareness about climate change?

We don’t, but it is apparent you spend a lot of time refuting something (Roswell) inconsequential. That is all you have posted in this thread, and no one on this forum believes aliens crashed and died in Roswell.

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Posted: 10 January 2013 09:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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I happen to think Roswell is important. I want to know why Colonel Blanchard issued his flying saucer press release. Why did he lie about the saucer when he knew Major Marcel did not recover one?

Apologies in advance if my thread doesn’t interest anyone.

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Posted: 14 January 2013 11:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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I too think this is important stuff to learn about.  I met Hynek at the time he was taking over the investigation.  There was a time when the people involved in Rosswell went to court to establish their part in the investigation.  The attorney who took part in their investigation believed them and is still investigating many other people in Washington D.C.  I will not mention his name as he is well known for standing up for what he believes is the truth.  People in D.C. are filled with hatred with each other and the lies and hatred will never stop.  I will not give anyone the name of this brave man because the distrust will never stop.  He went to court and swore on a bible that his testimony was true.  CFI is ugly and I will never again bring any information here.  Many of you are too eager to throw stones at each other.

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Posted: 15 January 2013 11:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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I happen to think Roswell is interesting, and probably something did happen there. However, I also am pragmatic enough to know it’s a dead issue at this point.  As far as climate change is concerned, that was just an example, not meant to suggest anything to you.  And as fas as Ms Price…wow, I’m not getting that sense at all.  Suggesting a poster is barking up the wrong tree isn’t throwing stones.  But you go elsewhere, that’s your choice.

garyjones - if you really want an alternative area of study I’d suggest Christopher Columbus. There’s plenty of information available, not controversial in the way Roswell stuff is, that show Columbus to be the genocidal Christian evildoer he was. How about take up the cause of getting that known?

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Posted: 15 January 2013 12:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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garyjones - if you really want an alternative area of study I’d suggest Christopher Columbus. There’s plenty of information available, not controversial in the way Roswell stuff is, that show Columbus to be the genocidal Christian evildoer he was. How about take up the cause of getting that known?


Before you pass judgement on Columbus Cuth, I suggest you read Samuel Eliot Morison’s book “Admiral of the Ocean Sea” for which he won a Pulitizer. I’m not by any means an apologist for the depredations done to the native American peoples by European explorers, but to paint Columbus as a maniacal racist whose sole intent was to destroy the Caribs is not historical. He left two complete journals of his first voyage and his son Ferdinand wrote extensively of the subsequent voyages. He later published a bio of his father to dispell myths that had been created to discredit Columbus by later explorers. Remember at that time in European history all non-xtians fell prey to the Pope’s edict (Treaty of Tordesillas)  that any foreign area not held by an xtian prince was up for grabs; the first order of business of course was to convert the heathen. If you want wonton destruction and monomania try Hernan Cortez. He’s definitely your man.


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Posted: 15 January 2013 12:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Evildoers are always fun to expose, but I’d sooner work on Apollo 11. I believe Neil & Buzz never set foot on the moon. In fact, the entire Apollo program may have been a sham.

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Posted: 15 January 2013 04:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Evildoers are always fun to expose, but I’d sooner work on Apollo 11. I believe Neil & Buzz never set foot on the moon. In fact, the entire Apollo program may have been a sham.

You’re being facetious, right? The evidence for all Apollo programs is overwhelming. Hundreds of engineers and technicians worked For over a decade to land men on the Moon, my Uncle among them. He was part of the team that planned the trajectory for the Apollo 11 moon shot and worked on the team that designed the tiles for the first space shuttle. He was a personal friend of Buzz Aldren. There is absolutely no way that any star chamber could silence ALL of these people and there is no way that they would stand by and be silenced, as well as their friends and family members.  If you aren’t being facetious then please present proof of your claim. Even the allusion to a cover up is an insult to the memory of these men.


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Posted: 15 January 2013 05:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Evil doers?  This place sounds like a group of Evangelicals.

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Posted: 15 January 2013 05:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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How can I stop the emails from this forum?  Is there anyone in charge?

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Posted: 15 January 2013 06:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Sandy Price - 15 January 2013 05:55 PM

How can I stop the emails from this forum?  Is there anyone in charge?

You need to turn off “Enable email notifications by default when you post messages” under “Your Control Panel”/“Email Settings”, or alternately when you post messages, make sure the checkbox “Notify me via email when someone posts in this thread” is OFF.

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Posted: 15 January 2013 08:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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hmmmmmmm   downer

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