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Ayn Rand (does not) describe herself and other thoughts regarding Rand
Posted: 12 June 2013 04:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 61 ]
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HBinswanger - 12 June 2013 03:19 PM

You mean the one that starts, “I am a mediocre writer?” 100% fabrication
out of whole cloth.

Yes, I know everything she ever wrote, and most of what she said publicly. (I began
reading her in 1962).

Being in philosophy, I got to know her gradually after that. In her final years
(1980 - 1982) I was speaking to her daily on the phone and
visited her frequently. So I can on that basis tell you that such a statement would
have been impossible to her.

Thank you and I will accept your authority.
Now the question - should I remove the image at the beginning of this thread, or is it grandfathered in, in light of the subsequent discussion, never mind, figured it out.

Thanks.

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Posted: 12 June 2013 09:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 62 ]
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And the point you’re missing is that I’m not actually hanging anything on That quote.

From where I sit, it looks to me like you are.

Look, if you disagree with La Rand then fine and dandy. But take issue with what’s real, not what’s contrived.

It’s not hard.

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Posted: 13 June 2013 07:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 63 ]
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Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon - 12 June 2013 09:11 PM

And the point you’re missing is that I’m not actually hanging anything on That quote.

From where I sit, it looks to me like you are.

Look, if you disagree with La Rand then fine and dandy. But take issue with what’s real, not what’s contrived.

It’s not hard.

Yea and what’s real is
what I’ve read in a couple of her books & having listen to the Mike Wallace interview
and what I find is repugnant - got nothing to do with some poster I saw some where -

don’t try to pretend otherwise.


Beyond that look at the reality your Randian, libertarian, Reaganomic, neo-con, right wing mind set and decisions have gotten our world.

Get real !  Read the words I’ve written… I don’t think you’ve actually done that   angry

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Posted: 14 June 2013 08:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 64 ]
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I have read the words you’ve written, starting with: “Ayn Rand describes herself and other thoughts regarding Rand” which is the title of the thread,

No harm no foul for anything that’s legit, but…and this is the important point you’re trying to sidestep and avoid….one of the quotes you attributed to her IS A FRAUD!!!!!!! Resorting to that sort of thing is no better then what the creationist crowd does with Darwin.

Do we get it now?

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Posted: 14 June 2013 10:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 65 ]
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Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon - 14 June 2013 08:52 AM

I have read the words you’ve written, starting with: “Ayn Rand describes herself and other thoughts regarding Rand” which is the title of the thread,

No harm no foul for anything that’s legit, but…and this is the important point you’re trying to sidestep and avoid….one of the quotes you attributed to her IS A FRAUD!!!!!!! Resorting to that sort of thing is no better then what the creationist crowd does with Darwin.

Do we get it now?

And apparently you stopped reading there.

Why the need to get so shrill?

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Posted: 14 June 2013 10:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 66 ]
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Will that last adjustment to the title of this thread help relieve some of your indignation?

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Posted: 14 June 2013 11:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 67 ]
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Dead Monky - 09 April 2013 08:42 AM

Ayn Rand….pfeh.

“I am a mediocre writer, hypocrite and a sociopath.  My disciples are ignorant deluded hypocritical sociopaths too.”
Sounds about right.

Show a respected source for the quote.  This is not about her qualities as a writer or thinker, it is about a possibly made-up quote.  Show your source before you use it to criticize her philosophy.  There is plenty to criticize without making something up.  Such tactics simply undermine your case and make you look as if you don’t know what you’re talking about.

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Posted: 14 June 2013 11:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 68 ]
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In trying to post to this tread, i received this screen:

Thank You!

“Your subscription to the following thread has been removed:

Ayn Rand (does not) describe herself and other thoughts regarding Rand

Click here if you are not redirected automatically”
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What, pray tell, is that all about? I was able to post. 

Lois

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Posted: 14 June 2013 05:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 69 ]
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Yes Lois, this program does have a mind of it’s own and there are times when I think it needs psychiatric therapy.  Occasionally it doesn’t recognize me or let me enter a post, so I just copy my post, stick it in my word processor, then completely log out, wait a minute or so, then log back on.  Half the time I can then start my post from scratch and stick my copy in.  The other half of the time, even though it said it wouldn’t let post, it’s already there. 

All you can do is take a deep breath, smile and think, “Well, it doesn’t cost us anything”. LOL

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Posted: 14 June 2013 06:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 70 ]
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Occam. - 14 June 2013 05:55 PM

Yes Lois, this program does have a mind of it’s own and there are times when I think it needs psychiatric therapy.  Occasionally it doesn’t recognize me or let me enter a post, so I just copy my post, stick it in my word processor, then completely log out, wait a minute or so, then log back on.  Half the time I can then start my post from scratch and stick my copy in.  The other half of the time, even though it said it wouldn’t let post, it’s already there. 

All you can do is take a deep breath, smile and think, “Well, it doesn’t cost us anything”. LOL

Occam

Yeah, you get what you pay for.

Now can we get back to discussing Rand’s psuedo-philosophy and recognize CC’s admission the quote at the beginning of this thread was a fabrication? Rand had plenty of morally repugnant ideas we can debate.

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Posted: 14 June 2013 08:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 71 ]
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DarronS - 14 June 2013 06:11 PM
Occam. - 14 June 2013 05:55 PM

Yes Lois, this program does have a mind of it’s own and there are times when I think it needs psychiatric therapy.  Occasionally it doesn’t recognize me or let me enter a post, so I just copy my post, stick it in my word processor, then completely log out, wait a minute or so, then log back on.  Half the time I can then start my post from scratch and stick my copy in.  The other half of the time, even though it said it wouldn’t let post, it’s already there. 

All you can do is take a deep breath, smile and think, “Well, it doesn’t cost us anything”. LOL

Occam

Yeah, you get what you pay for.

Now can we get back to discussing Rand’s psuedo-philosophy and recognize CC’s admission the quote at the beginning of this thread was a fabrication? Rand had plenty of morally repugnant ideas we can debate.

Indeed.  Can we move on?

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Posted: 14 June 2013 08:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 72 ]
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Why the need to get so shrill?

Because you’re not getting the message about that core fact. I don’t care about the rest.

Guess your ideology is more important to you so I’m not going to waste my time any more with this.

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Posted: 14 June 2013 09:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 73 ]
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Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon - 14 June 2013 08:39 PM

Why the need to get so shrill?

Because you’re not getting the message about that core fact. I don’t care about the rest.

Guess your ideology is more important to you so I’m not going to waste my time any more with this.

CC already acknowledged, several times, that the quote in his first post is a fabrication. Get over it and move on to discussing Ayn Rand’s philosophy, which I consider vile.

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Posted: 14 June 2013 10:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 74 ]
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Harry Binswanger’s input was appreciated but it may have just been a drive-by, as he hasn’t had any further participation.  Does anyone else have knnowledge of Objectivism, that could respond to the questions that I posed for HB?  :

Is this statement correct?: “A central tenet of Objectivism is that reality is independent of consciousness.”  If so does that mean that consciousness is viewed by Objectivists as a phenomenon that somehow exists separately from reality, and i.e., is not an outgrowth of processes that have occurred in the unfolding of the natural universe?

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Posted: 16 June 2013 09:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 75 ]
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Darron thank you for the defense… and pointing out the obvious.
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Lois what more do you want? a few dozen Ave Marias and thumbing through my rosary another dozen times?
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As for Dead Monky’s post ( and mine too ), well hell it simply sounded too good not to be true… but, let’s keep in mind Randians have never tried to obey such moral high ground themselves, considering how great they’ve been at drawing from any and every contrivance they can to make their various arguments.

Funny how those folks never notice or complain about that.  mad

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