Rick Warren’s Son Commits Suicide
Posted: 06 April 2013 06:26 PM   [ Ignore ]
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There’s a fair amount of commenting online as to weather the son was gay, and killed himself because of his father’s disapproval.  Some commentators seem to want that to be the case. blank stare

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Posted: 07 April 2013 12:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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mid atlantic - 06 April 2013 06:26 PM

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/06/17632420-pastor-rick-warrens-son-matthew-commits-suicide-church-says

There’s a fair amount of commenting online as to weather the son was gay, and killed himself because of his father’s disapproval.  Some commentators seem to want that to be the case. blank stare

The article said, “Matthew Warren, the youngest son of Warren and his wife Kay, died after a long struggle with mental illness.”

Is that what they called being gay?

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Posted: 07 April 2013 04:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Lois - 07 April 2013 12:19 AM
mid atlantic - 06 April 2013 06:26 PM

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/06/17632420-pastor-rick-warrens-son-matthew-commits-suicide-church-says

There’s a fair amount of commenting online as to weather the son was gay, and killed himself because of his father’s disapproval.  Some commentators seem to want that to be the case. blank stare

The article said, “Matthew Warren, the youngest son of Warren and his wife Kay, died after a long struggle with mental illness.”

Is that what they called being gay?

I can’t tell if you’re accusing me of setting up a straw man argument, or if you’re asking if they consider being gay a mental illness?

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Posted: 07 April 2013 08:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Lois - 07 April 2013 12:19 AM
mid atlantic - 06 April 2013 06:26 PM

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/06/17632420-pastor-rick-warrens-son-matthew-commits-suicide-church-says

There’s a fair amount of commenting online as to weather the son was gay, and killed himself because of his father’s disapproval.  Some commentators seem to want that to be the case. blank stare

The article said, “Matthew Warren, the youngest son of Warren and his wife Kay, died after a long struggle with mental illness.”

Is that what they called being gay?

Some no doubt do, but even if Warren does, its not evidence that the son was gay.

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Posted: 07 April 2013 08:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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mid atlantic - 07 April 2013 04:04 AM
Lois - 07 April 2013 12:19 AM
mid atlantic - 06 April 2013 06:26 PM

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/06/17632420-pastor-rick-warrens-son-matthew-commits-suicide-church-says

There’s a fair amount of commenting online as to weather the son was gay, and killed himself because of his father’s disapproval.  Some commentators seem to want that to be the case. blank stare

The article said, “Matthew Warren, the youngest son of Warren and his wife Kay, died after a long struggle with mental illness.”

Is that what they called being gay?

I can’t tell if you’re accusing me of setting up a straw man argument, or if you’re asking if they consider being gay a mental illness?

I wasn’t commenting on your post, per se.  I was commenting on what the article said.  There are a lot of people, especially Evangelical types, who consider being gay a mental illness and that’s how they “treat” it.  That in itself might lead a person to suicide.  I don’t know whether there were other issues in this case.

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Posted: 07 April 2013 09:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Coldheart Tucker - 07 April 2013 08:42 AM
Lois - 07 April 2013 12:19 AM
mid atlantic - 06 April 2013 06:26 PM

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/06/17632420-pastor-rick-warrens-son-matthew-commits-suicide-church-says

There’s a fair amount of commenting online as to weather the son was gay, and killed himself because of his father’s disapproval.  Some commentators seem to want that to be the case. blank stare

The article said, “Matthew Warren, the youngest son of Warren and his wife Kay, died after a long struggle with mental illness.”

Is that what they called being gay?

Some no doubt do, but even if Warren does, its not evidence that the son was gay.

No, obviously not.  My point was that if he was gay such an attitude could have led him to suicide.  I don’t know any more about his case but what has appeared in the media.  He might have been truly mentally ill and homosexuality might not have been an issue.  We may never know what actually happened.

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Posted: 07 April 2013 09:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Lois - 07 April 2013 09:02 AM

No, obviously not.  My point was that if he was gay such an attitude could have led him to suicide.  I don’t know any more about his case but what has appeared in the media.  He might have been truly mentally ill and homosexuality might not have been an issue.  We may never know what actually happened.

I’ve wondered the same thing, given Warren’s vocal homophobia. Marie Osmond’s son committed suicide, the family said he was not gay, although his close friends insisted he was. Since his death, Marie Osmond has had a very recent ‘evolution’ regarding the subject of homosexuality. Too bad it didn’t occur while her son was still alive. I wonder if she will now admit her late son was gay.

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Posted: 07 April 2013 04:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Lois - 07 April 2013 09:02 AM

No, obviously not.  My point was that if he was gay such an attitude could have led him to suicide.  I don’t know any more about his case but what has appeared in the media.  He might have been truly mentally ill and homosexuality might not have been an issue.  We may never know what actually happened.

I’ve wondered the same thing, given Warren’s vocal homophobia. Marie Osmond’s son committed suicide, the family said he was not gay, although his close friends insisted he was. Since his death, Marie Osmond has had a very recent ‘evolution’ regarding the subject of homosexuality. Too bad it didn’t occur while her son was still alive. I wonder if she will now admit her late son was gay.

I would guess not.  Certainly not while she remains a Mormon.

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Lois - 07 April 2013 09:02 AM

No, obviously not.  My point was that if he was gay such an attitude could have led him to suicide.  I don’t know any more about his case but what has appeared in the media.  He might have been truly mentally ill and homosexuality might not have been an issue.  We may never know what actually happened.

I’ve wondered the same thing, given Warren’s vocal homophobia. Marie Osmond’s son committed suicide, the family said he was not gay, although his close friends insisted he was. Since his death, Marie Osmond has had a very recent ‘evolution’ regarding the subject of homosexuality. Too bad it didn’t occur while her son was still alive. I wonder if she will now admit her late son was gay.

She has an adopted daughter who’s a lesbian and doesn’t deny it.

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Posted: 07 April 2013 08:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Lois - 07 April 2013 09:02 AM

No, obviously not.  My point was that if he was gay such an attitude could have led him to suicide.  I don’t know any more about his case but what has appeared in the media.  He might have been truly mentally ill and homosexuality might not have been an issue.  We may never know what actually happened.

I’ve wondered the same thing, given Warren’s vocal homophobia. Marie Osmond’s son committed suicide, the family said he was not gay, although his close friends insisted he was. Since his death, Marie Osmond has had a very recent ‘evolution’ regarding the subject of homosexuality. Too bad it didn’t occur while her son was still alive. I wonder if she will now admit her late son was gay.

She has an adopted daughter who’s a lesbian and doesn’t deny it.

Interesting. I hadn’t heard that.

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Posted: 07 April 2013 10:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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mid atlantic - 06 April 2013 06:26 PM

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/06/17632420-pastor-rick-warrens-son-matthew-commits-suicide-church-says

There’s a fair amount of commenting online as to weather the son was gay, and killed himself because of his father’s disapproval.  Some commentators seem to want that to be the case. blank stare

The article said, “Matthew Warren, the youngest son of Warren and his wife Kay, died after a long struggle with mental illness.”

Is that what they called being gay?

I can’t tell if you’re accusing me of setting up a straw man argument, or if you’re asking if they consider being gay a mental illness?

I wasn’t commenting on your post, per se.  I was commenting on what the article said.  There are a lot of people, especially Evangelical types, who consider being gay a mental illness and that’s how they “treat” it.  That in itself might lead a person to suicide.  I don’t know whether there were other issues in this case.

Cool, thanks for the clearing up.

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Posted: 08 April 2013 03:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Coldheart Tucker - 07 April 2013 05:56 PM
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Lois - 07 April 2013 09:02 AM

No, obviously not.  My point was that if he was gay such an attitude could have led him to suicide.  I don’t know any more about his case but what has appeared in the media.  He might have been truly mentally ill and homosexuality might not have been an issue.  We may never know what actually happened.

I’ve wondered the same thing, given Warren’s vocal homophobia. Marie Osmond’s son committed suicide, the family said he was not gay, although his close friends insisted he was. Since his death, Marie Osmond has had a very recent ‘evolution’ regarding the subject of homosexuality. Too bad it didn’t occur while her son was still alive. I wonder if she will now admit her late son was gay.

She has an adopted daughter who’s a lesbian and doesn’t deny it.

Yes, she has ‘evolved’ since his death. But I wonder if she now admits (if only to herself) her late son was gay, which seems very likely given the statements from his closest (probably non-mormon) friends.

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