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Posted: 02 May 2013 11:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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VYAZMA - 01 May 2013 05:00 PM

Oh, I think fear is a small part of it.  We’re just animals…I think I heard someone say that most of our thought process is coming from the “lower brain”- the reptile.
I firmly believe this.  Compassion is built into us. But that is a tricky subject.  Some say we shouldn’t accept what we think compassion is at face value.
One thing is we consume.  We consume everything in our paths.
We have the ability to wipe out most(or alot of it) life on the planet.
And I think the most telling part about us is that we let our minds be eased by the concept of M.A.D.(mutually assured destruction)
Think about that one for a moment. That really describes us in a nutshell!
We let the High Priests and Leaders soothe the world mindset by telling everyone:“Don’t worry, no one will push the button because no one wants to end the world.”
The fact that this is still the modus operandi is unspeakable.  After the USSR fell and the Cold War ended all that hype went away.
But it is as real today as it was in 1953. The bombs are still here!
And who do we have in charge?  These are the best people we can get for the job. Something so simple as to eliminate an insane threat like this.
And they can’t get it done.
On the other thread you mentioned about how people block out their inevitable death. We block out everything.  We are not designed to think rationally for peace.
Most people block out the past…you’ve read lot’s of history.  WWII, Cambodia, Stalinism, Black Death, Plague, Rwanda, etc etc..
This stuff is right behind the curtain…it’s practically peeking out at us. It can hit anytime. One year from know you could be gnawing on a pine cone or eating the wall paper glue to survive. Or worse.
We are fat and cozy.
Within miles of you and me there are hungry, dirty people. Sick. Poor.  Scared.
Now go to N. Korea, or Ethiopia, or Colombia. We keep a nice warm membrane between us and reality.
This makes me shun the idea of an idealistic Animism as you describe it.

Well put, Vyazma. I am often pleasantly surprised to see how much we are on the same wavelength.


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Posted: 02 May 2013 11:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Lois - 02 May 2013 11:20 AM
VYAZMA - 01 May 2013 05:00 PM

Oh, I think fear is a small part of it.  We’re just animals…I think I heard someone say that most of our thought process is coming from the “lower brain”- the reptile.
I firmly believe this.  Compassion is built into us. But that is a tricky subject.  Some say we shouldn’t accept what we think compassion is at face value.
One thing is we consume.  We consume everything in our paths.
We have the ability to wipe out most(or alot of it) life on the planet.
And I think the most telling part about us is that we let our minds be eased by the concept of M.A.D.(mutually assured destruction)
Think about that one for a moment. That really describes us in a nutshell!
We let the High Priests and Leaders soothe the world mindset by telling everyone:“Don’t worry, no one will push the button because no one wants to end the world.”
The fact that this is still the modus operandi is unspeakable.  After the USSR fell and the Cold War ended all that hype went away.
But it is as real today as it was in 1953. The bombs are still here!
And who do we have in charge?  These are the best people we can get for the job. Something so simple as to eliminate an insane threat like this.
And they can’t get it done.
On the other thread you mentioned about how people block out their inevitable death. We block out everything.  We are not designed to think rationally for peace.
Most people block out the past…you’ve read lot’s of history.  WWII, Cambodia, Stalinism, Black Death, Plague, Rwanda, etc etc..
This stuff is right behind the curtain…it’s practically peeking out at us. It can hit anytime. One year from know you could be gnawing on a pine cone or eating the wall paper glue to survive. Or worse.
We are fat and cozy.
Within miles of you and me there are hungry, dirty people. Sick. Poor.  Scared.
Now go to N. Korea, or Ethiopia, or Colombia. We keep a nice warm membrane between us and reality.
This makes me shun the idea of an idealistic Animism as you describe it.

Well put, Vyazma. I am often pleasantly surprised to see how much we are on the same wavelength.


Lois

It’s so damn funny you should say that. I’ve noticed that too..
I just got done replying to you on the other thread.  The one where I asked if you were replying to the correct post. 
My initial thoughts on that was that we were saying the same thing and talking past one another.  However that isn’t reflected in my actual reply. grin

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Posted: 02 May 2013 12:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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But it is as real today as it was in 1953. The bombs are still here!
And who do we have in charge?  These are the best people we can get for the job. Something so simple as to eliminate an insane threat like this.
And they can’t get it done.
On the other thread you mentioned about how people block out their inevitable death. We block out everything.  We are not designed to think rationally for peace.
Most people block out the past…you’ve read lot’s of history.  WWII, Cambodia, Stalinism, Black Death, Plague, Rwanda, etc etc..
This stuff is right behind the curtain…it’s practically peeking out at us. It can hit anytime. One year from know you could be gnawing on a pine cone or eating the wall paper glue to survive. Or worse.
We are fat and cozy.
Within miles of you and me there are hungry, dirty people. Sick. Poor.  Scared.
Now go to N. Korea, or Ethiopia, or Colombia. We keep a nice warm membrane between us and reality.
This makes me shun the idea of an idealistic Animism as you describe it.

 Lord Acton said it best of course. Yes, we still have the threat hanging over us but Futurists have set the nuclear destruction clock back. That’s not to say that the threat is no longer there. it is but to a lesser extent. Before the Soviet Union fell we had approx. 30,000 MIRVs and the Russians had 20,000. I like Sagan’s analogy of a garage filled with gasoline knee deep and two men have 30,000 matches while another has 20,000. It only takes one match to spark a conflagration. Yes, there’s a lot to be frightened of and we could suddenly turn backwards so we’re not out of the woods yet. However, referencing your analogy concerning pine cones, the WHO says that obesity is causing more deaths than starvation and the US hasn’t had a declared war since Dec. 8, 1945. As to Korea, that’s posturing to get us to make more concessions but it’s not working. Even China is pissed and will probably tell them to cool it. Yes, Americans remain blissfully ignorant of the past and revisionists are working frantically to reinterpret the facts and wipe out the past. They want to make people believe that America was founded on xtian principles (total BS) and the 14th Amendment should be revokes so that John Q businessman can turn away anyone they don’t like and that restricting gun sales is a clear message that the government wants to destroy your freedom to protect yourself from the government which provides you with Medicare, SSI, protection from alien enemies, interstate highways… Yeah, that same government. But the membrane has been thinned out by the media, MSNBC, FOX, CNN and the mainstream media. It’s intense, inclusive and continuous. We’re bombarded with news as it happens, even the BBC. In fact it’s hard to escape reality. And remember, animism as I described it was my last touch with the supernatural although I still feel akin to all life and my place in it. Just eliminate the “spiritual part.


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Posted: 02 May 2013 12:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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GdB - 02 May 2013 05:57 AM

Yeah, Google is a good one: it is everywhere, and knows all about you… Omnipotence is just a matter of time.

Hmm… So Google starts Sky Net?

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Posted: 02 May 2013 12:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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GdB - 02 May 2013 05:57 AM

Yeah, Google is a good one: it is everywhere, and knows all about you… Omnipotence is just a matter of time.

Hmm… So Google starts Sky Net?

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Take care,

Derek

Nice. Love Terminator references!

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Posted: 02 May 2013 05:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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Oh you guys ruined my thread wink  I was hoping some of the religious posters that have been busy in the forum would post something. See they’re happy to argue against atheism, or rather try to shove their religion on non-religious.  I wanted to see what they’d do trying to convince other competing fundies like themselves.  It’s easy for them to say “I’m right ‘cause my special book says so”.  What do they say when the other guy responds with “no MY book is special, more special than yours”.  You get the idea.  Evidently none of them are capable of doing that.  Oh well.

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Posted: 02 May 2013 07:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Oh you guys ruined my thread   I was hoping some of the religious posters that have been busy in the forum would post something. See they’re happy to argue against atheism, or rather try to shove their religion on non-religious.  I wanted to see what they’d do trying to convince other competing fundies like themselves.  It’s easy for them to say “I’m right ‘cause my special book says so”.  What do they say when the other guy responds with “no MY book is special, more special than yours”.  You get the idea.  Evidently none of them are capable of doing that.  Oh well.

I feel left out; my religion didn’t even have a book. Our dogma was strictly passed by word of mouth. You writees think you know it all simply because you can record your beliefs while we’re forced to use mnemonic devices to pass on our wisdom. Just take your “special book” and put it where the sun don’t shine. We’ll worship what we can see, like everything around us. It’s far better than your made up god. Ours is real ‘cause you can touch it and see it, not imagine it. What baloney!

 

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Posted: 03 May 2013 09:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Thevillageatheist - 02 May 2013 07:07 PM

Oh you guys ruined my thread   I was hoping some of the religious posters that have been busy in the forum would post something. See they’re happy to argue against atheism, or rather try to shove their religion on non-religious.  I wanted to see what they’d do trying to convince other competing fundies like themselves.  It’s easy for them to say “I’m right ‘cause my special book says so”.  What do they say when the other guy responds with “no MY book is special, more special than yours”.  You get the idea.  Evidently none of them are capable of doing that.  Oh well.

I feel left out; my religion didn’t even have a book. Our dogma was strictly passed by word of mouth. You writees think you know it all simply because you can record your beliefs while we’re forced to use mnemonic devices to pass on our wisdom. Just take your “special book” and put it where the sun don’t shine. We’ll worship what we can see, like everything around us. It’s far better than your made up god. Ours is real ‘cause you can touch it and see it, not imagine it. What baloney!

Wait, do you at least have priests who wear fancy headgear? If not, no go.  No Book, No Fancy Headgear, no religion!

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Posted: 03 May 2013 10:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Wait, do you at least have priests who wear fancy headgear? If not, no go.  No Book, No Fancy Headgear, no religion!


No fancy headgear but we do have some cool looking masks and when we put them on we literally BECOME the god they represent! Scares the hell outta the kids but hey, it keeps ‘em from straying into the woods and being eaten by wolves. So does that qualify us as legitimate? Oh, and our head man often holds prayer breakfasts; that’s when we cook and eat our enemies to symbolize ingesting our god, as primative as that sounds.  sick


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Posted: 03 May 2013 10:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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Religion is social organization.  Any religion is best, any religion is worst; depending on what the particular humans that are taking action use it for.

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Posted: 03 May 2013 11:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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CuthbertJ - 02 May 2013 05:57 PM

Oh you guys ruined my thread wink  I was hoping some of the religious posters that have been busy in the forum would post something. See they’re happy to argue against atheism, or rather try to shove their religion on non-religious.  I wanted to see what they’d do trying to convince other competing fundies like themselves.  It’s easy for them to say “I’m right ‘cause my special book says so”.  What do they say when the other guy responds with “no MY book is special, more special than yours”.  You get the idea.  Evidently none of them are capable of doing that.  Oh well.

Sorry ‘bout that.  tongue laugh

Although I wasn’t really expecting any theists to show up for a Battle of the Gawds… However it would have been interesting! LOL

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Thevillageatheist - 03 May 2013 10:14 AM

Wait, do you at least have priests who wear fancy headgear? If not, no go.  No Book, No Fancy Headgear, no religion!


No fancy headgear but we do have some cool looking masks and when we put them on we literally BECOME the god they represent! Scares the hell outta the kids but hey, it keeps ‘em from straying into the woods and being eaten by wolves. So does that qualify us as legitimate? Oh, and our head man often holds prayer breakfasts; that’s when we cook and eat our enemies to symbolize ingesting our god, as primative as that sounds.  sick


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Actually I think ya, that counts AND you win! Utterly primitive and utterly honest…the opposite of the big three (well, not counting the primitive part).  As for being dishonest or hypocritical, I just read something about in the 30s and 40s (and for all I know to this day) Jews would pay non-Jews to turn the lights on/out on the Sabbath because it was forbidden for them to do it.  Unbelievable.

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Posted: 04 May 2013 08:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Actually I think ya, that counts AND you win! Utterly primitive and utterly honest…the opposite of the big three (well, not counting the primitive part).  As for being dishonest or hypocritical, I just read something about in the 30s and 40s (and for all I know to this day) Jews would pay non-Jews to turn the lights on/out on the Sabbath because it was forbidden for them to do it.  Unbelievable.

Ah yes, ritual. Like lent. Giving up something you like to pease your god. My wife’s aunt gives up chocolate so skydaddy will know that she loves him. Showing your fealty to a diety is necessary to show the other adherents that you’re one of them. It doesn’t have to make practical sense like the light thing, or wearing a specific garment or piece of clothing such as a prayer shawl or beads or a Roman torture device. I think you could turn this around and say, give up lent for lent. Now that would make practical sense, and you could eat all the snickers bars you wanted or other celestial treats like a mars bar or a milky way. How about that? Literally eating god’s heavenly creations!


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Posted: 16 May 2013 03:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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Best for what?

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deros - 16 May 2013 03:54 AM

Best for what?

Best for turning girls into swans to seduce them.

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