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Posted: 13 May 2013 01:05 PM   [ Ignore ]
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I watched “The Impossible” last night and came across one minor problem in the movie. Which one of these kids couldn’t have been Watts’s and McGregor’s sons? Or at least not McGregor’s sons.

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Posted: 13 May 2013 03:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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http://genetics.thetech.org/how-blue-eyed-parents-can-have-brown-eyed-children

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Posted: 13 May 2013 04:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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TimB - 13 May 2013 03:01 PM

http://genetics.thetech.org/how-blue-eyed-parents-can-have-brown-eyed-children

I didn’t know that.

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Posted: 13 May 2013 10:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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George - 13 May 2013 04:32 PM
TimB - 13 May 2013 03:01 PM

http://genetics.thetech.org/how-blue-eyed-parents-can-have-brown-eyed-children

I didn’t know that.

Ah, now that’s “The Impossible”. (That I came across something on genetics, that you didn’t already know.) smile

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Posted: 13 May 2013 10:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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BTW, I liked the movie, as it was based on the experiences of a real family.  (Although the actual family did not appear to be so caucasian.)

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Posted: 14 May 2013 04:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Caucasian? I guess you mean Anglo-Saxons, not Caucasian. The real family looked like they were from Spain, which would still make them Caucasian.

The movie was okay, I guess. The water came, they got hurt, they found each other.

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Posted: 14 May 2013 08:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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George - 13 May 2013 01:05 PM

I watched “The Impossible” last night and came across one minor problem in the movie. Which one of these kids couldn’t have been Watts’s and McGregor’s sons? Or at least not McGregor’s sons.

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I have a member of my family who is blonde and blue eyed while both of her parents have brown eyes and dark hair. There is no doubt about her parentage.  You do know about recessive genes, don’t you?

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Posted: 14 May 2013 08:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Lois - 14 May 2013 08:06 AM

I have a member of my family who is blonde and blue eyed while both of her parents have brown eyes and dark hair.

Parents with brown eyes having a kid with blue eyes is very common. That’s not what I was talking about.

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Posted: 14 May 2013 08:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Lois - 14 May 2013 08:06 AM

You do know about recessive genes, don’t you?

BTW, I suggest that you at least try to understand what people are talking about before you decide to sound cocky. You have already shown this silly behaviour in the Free Will thread a number of times.

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Posted: 14 May 2013 08:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Caucasian? I guess you mean Anglo-Saxons, not Caucasian. The real family looked like they were from Spain, which would still make them Caucasian.

The movie was okay, I guess. The water came, they got hurt, they found each other.


George, are you inferring that Anglo-Saxons aren’t Caucasian? Or are you saying that they’re a Caucasian sub race? and the Spanish are an admixture of Celts, Ostrogothic Germans and Arabs, all Caucasians.


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Posted: 14 May 2013 08:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Of course Anglo-Saxons are Caucasians, just like are the Spaniards and the rest or Europe. (And so are the Arabs or Indians.)

Some Caucasians are certainly more related to one another than to others, as can be seen in this genetic map of Europe:

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Posted: 14 May 2013 08:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Ok, I get it. I should have read your post again. The genetic map shows the Spanish farther from the center but even at that there are blond haired Spaniards and dark skinned Irish. BTW, to digress, have you ever heard of the “black Irish”? Also, I’ve seen that map before. Did you post it a while back? Seems that I saw it in a book I recently read.


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Posted: 14 May 2013 09:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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There is obviously (obviously to me at least, unlike to most people on this forum) more to race than just the colour of eyes and skin. The origin of the blue-eye gene is believed to be somewhere around today’s Estonia, so it’s not really that surprising to find an Irishman with a darker complexion. It would be less common, well, in Estonia.

Here is a map of Europe’s eye colour:

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Posted: 14 May 2013 09:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Thevillageatheist - 14 May 2013 08:52 AM

The genetic map shows the Spanish farther from the center

I don’t know what you mean by the Spaniards being “farther from the center.” What is interesting about the genetic map is that it looks pretty much like the geographic map of Europe. A Swiss is more closely related to a German than he is to a Spaniard because Switzerland is geographically closer to Germany than it is to Spain.

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Posted: 14 May 2013 09:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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I don’t know what you mean by the Spaniards being “farther from the center.” What is interesting about the genetic map is that it looks pretty much like the geographic map of Europe. A Swiss is more closely related to a German than he is to a Spaniard because Switzerland is geographically closer to Germany than it is to Spain.

I assumed from looking at the map that blue represents Spain, right? If you look at the color blue representing Spanish genes it appears at the far left of the center where the two lines intersect. That would also follow the geographic map color blue representing Spain. At least that’s how I interpreted it.


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Posted: 14 May 2013 10:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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George - 14 May 2013 09:05 AM

There is obviously (obviously to me at least, unlike to most people on this forum) more to race than just the colour of eyes and skin.

How many differences make a difference in race? What is the operational, scientifically based definition of a race?

This does not help much:

In biology, races are distinct populations within the same species and does not apply to genetic differences but Phenotype. For example an animal with parents of two different races will be considered to be the race that the animals resembles most closely. Race as a term is almost exclusively used for domesticated species, which is not to say that wild species don’t develop races, but natural bottlenecking will quickly turn a race into a subspecies.
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According to Ernst W. Mayr, “a subspecies is a geographic race that is sufficiently different taxonomically to be worthy of a separate name”. Hence, the biological races are not taxonomical categories.

The German page is even stronger:

Er bezeichnet beliebige Zusammenfassungen von nach subjektivem ermessen gruppierten Lebewesen einer Art

Freely translated:

‘Race’ refers to arbitrary summarisations of grouping Organisms of a species after subjective criteria.

The Dutch page only refers to race as intentionally bred races of domestic organisms.

Where is the border between science and political correctness? Where the border between science and racism?

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