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Posted: 14 May 2013 10:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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You may ask the same thing when it comes to species and families. Are Neandertals different species? (Or the chimps, as there is a good reason to suspect that chimp and human could produce an offspring?) Are you my cousin?

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Posted: 14 May 2013 12:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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If a viable Humanzee could be produced, I wonder whether it would be infertile, as is a mule.

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Posted: 14 May 2013 12:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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TimB - 14 May 2013 12:19 PM

If a viable Humanzee could be produced, I wonder whether it would be infertile, as is a mule.

Maybe, maybe not. We and chimps are genetically less different than are horse and donkey.

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Posted: 14 May 2013 12:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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George - 14 May 2013 08:12 AM
Lois - 14 May 2013 08:06 AM

I have a member of my family who is blonde and blue eyed while both of her parents have brown eyes and dark hair.

Parents with brown eyes having a kid with blue eyes is very common. That’s not what I was talking about.

What are you talking about, then?

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Posted: 14 May 2013 12:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Lois - 14 May 2013 12:27 PM
George - 14 May 2013 08:12 AM
Lois - 14 May 2013 08:06 AM

I have a member of my family who is blonde and blue eyed while both of her parents have brown eyes and dark hair.

Parents with brown eyes having a kid with blue eyes is very common. That’s not what I was talking about.

What are you talking about, then?

About blue-eyed parents having kids with brown eyes. Big difference.

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Posted: 14 May 2013 12:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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George - 14 May 2013 12:23 PM
TimB - 14 May 2013 12:19 PM

If a viable Humanzee could be produced, I wonder whether it would be infertile, as is a mule.

Maybe, maybe not. We and chimps are genetically less different than are horse and donkey.

Next question.  Could a humanzee have blue eyes?  I think that would be cute… or scary.

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Posted: 14 May 2013 01:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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TimB - 14 May 2013 12:34 PM
George - 14 May 2013 12:23 PM
TimB - 14 May 2013 12:19 PM

If a viable Humanzee could be produced, I wonder whether it would be infertile, as is a mule.

Maybe, maybe not. We and chimps are genetically less different than are horse and donkey.

Next question.  Could a humanzee have blue eyes?  I think that would be cute… or scary.

I don’t think it could have blue eyes but its sclera could perhaps be big like ours, which would probably have a very strong emotional impact on us deciding if its human. Small sclera, it’s a chimp. Large sclera, he is one of us. We do spend a lot of time looking into other people’s eyes.

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Posted: 14 May 2013 01:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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George - 14 May 2013 01:06 PM
TimB - 14 May 2013 12:34 PM
George - 14 May 2013 12:23 PM
TimB - 14 May 2013 12:19 PM

If a viable Humanzee could be produced, I wonder whether it would be infertile, as is a mule.

Maybe, maybe not. We and chimps are genetically less different than are horse and donkey.

Next question.  Could a humanzee have blue eyes?  I think that would be cute… or scary.

I don’t think it could have blue eyes but its sclera could perhaps be big like ours, which would probably have a very strong emotional impact on us deciding if its human. Small sclera, it’s a chimp. Large sclera, he is one of us. We do spend a lot of time looking into other people’s eyes.

 

Yes, big eyes, with white (not yellowish) sclera, and with large pupils. I would be proud to be such a monkey’s uncle.

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Posted: 14 May 2013 01:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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“Ape’s,” not “monkey’s.”  angry And why an uncle? How about a dad? You knew it was coming, right?  grin

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Posted: 14 May 2013 02:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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George - 14 May 2013 01:36 PM

“Ape’s,” not “monkey’s.”  angry And why an uncle? How about a dad? You knew it was coming, right?  grin

Sorry, I was riffing off of the well known idiom: “Well, I’ll be a monkey’s uncle!”

I forget that not everyone can relate to my covert verbal behavior.

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Posted: 14 May 2013 03:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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I see. Never hear of it. (I just looked it up.)

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Posted: 14 May 2013 07:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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George - 14 May 2013 12:29 PM
Lois - 14 May 2013 12:27 PM
George - 14 May 2013 08:12 AM
Lois - 14 May 2013 08:06 AM

I have a member of my family who is blonde and blue eyed while both of her parents have brown eyes and dark hair.

Parents with brown eyes having a kid with blue eyes is very common. That’s not what I was talking about.

What are you talking about, then?

About blue-eyed parents having kids with brown eyes. Big difference.

Well. I have an example of that in my family, too.  Did you think it was impossible?

http://genetics.thetech.org/how-blue-eyed-parents-can-have-brown-eyed-children

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Posted: 14 May 2013 10:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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George - 14 May 2013 10:41 AM

You may ask the same thing when it comes to species and families. Are Neandertals different species? (Or the chimps, as there is a good reason to suspect that chimp and human could produce an offspring?) Are you my cousin?

OK. I ask that.

How many differences make a difference in race, in species, in families? What are their operational, scientifically based definitions?

And so, based on that, what is the scientific background of your remark that “There is obviously more to race than just the colour of eyes and skin.”

(Yes, too obvious: different hair colour, length, form of the face etc… But if you mean that, then your remark has not so much content.)

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Posted: 14 May 2013 10:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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10,000 years, or so, ago, no humans had blue eyes.  Today, blue eyed humans are less than 10% of the world population.  And that percentage may be decreasing. We’re a minority and I think we deserve some consideration as such.  You know, like an endangered species.

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Posted: 15 May 2013 04:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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Race can be identified by genes which are only shared by a certain group. For example, both whites and Asians have white skin, but in each race a different gene is responsible for this trait. The same goes for, say, lactose tolerance. Europeans and some Africans can drink milk, but again, different genes in each race made this possible. When you group all these traits together, the difference becomes obvious, just like it does with the breeds of dogs. Of course, most of dog breeds exist due to artificial selection where humans differ because of natural selection. But one think is certain: if evolution is true, then races must exist as the environmental pressures haven’t been the same for all races.

Again, take the lactose tolerance as an example. The environmental pressure responsible for lactose tolerance in Europeans was probably the lack of vitamin D, found in milk, whereas in Africa the advantage of being able to consume milk was due to the availability of an additional source of liquid. Different environmental pressures, different genes, different races.

I remember Dawkins (among many others) offered an explanation on the nature of races in his Ancestor’s Tales but it has been a while since I read it, so I’ll have to go back to look for it (tonight) if you are interested. I know Coyne also believes that races are a valuable classification of different groups of people.

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