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Posted: 23 May 2013 04:32 AM   [ Ignore ]
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/22/police-respond-serious-incident-woolwich

I hope the British learn from this….

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Posted: 23 May 2013 08:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Posted: 23 May 2013 08:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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mid atlantic - 23 May 2013 04:32 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/22/police-respond-serious-incident-woolwich

I hope the British learn from this….

I’m confused. What would you have them learn from this?

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Posted: 23 May 2013 09:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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macgyver - 23 May 2013 08:34 AM
mid atlantic - 23 May 2013 04:32 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/22/police-respond-serious-incident-woolwich

I hope the British learn from this….

I’m confused. What would you have them learn from this?

Ban machetes?  cheese

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Posted: 23 May 2013 02:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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GdB - 23 May 2013 09:00 AM
macgyver - 23 May 2013 08:34 AM
mid atlantic - 23 May 2013 04:32 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/22/police-respond-serious-incident-woolwich

I hope the British learn from this….

I’m confused. What would you have them learn from this?

Ban machetes?  :cheese:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI

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Posted: 23 May 2013 02:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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macgyver - 23 May 2013 08:34 AM
mid atlantic - 23 May 2013 04:32 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/22/police-respond-serious-incident-woolwich

I hope the British learn from this….

I’m confused. What would you have them learn from this?

To be more vigilant, and realistic - maybe the two can’t be separated here?

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Posted: 23 May 2013 02:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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GdB - 23 May 2013 09:00 AM
macgyver - 23 May 2013 08:34 AM
mid atlantic - 23 May 2013 04:32 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/22/police-respond-serious-incident-woolwich

I hope the British learn from this….

I’m confused. What would you have them learn from this?

Ban machetes?  cheese

I think that they already do.  When I was in Scotland several years ago, I recall something on the news about legislation to ban the carrying of swords, as roving bands of teenage gangs had been fighting it out with each other with swords.

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Posted: 23 May 2013 04:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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mid atlantic - 23 May 2013 02:24 PM
macgyver - 23 May 2013 08:34 AM
mid atlantic - 23 May 2013 04:32 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/22/police-respond-serious-incident-woolwich

I hope the British learn from this….

I’m confused. What would you have them learn from this?

To be more vigilant, and realistic - maybe the two can’t be separated here?

More vigilant?  What would you have them do? Force every man, woman and child to be accompanied by security guards at all times? Or should they lock up the population and not allow anyone to leave their homes?  Just what are you suggesting?  In what way are the British being unrealistic, whatever that may mean? Give specific details, please. Maybe the US and all vulnerable countries can learn from your ideas about being realistic and vigilant.

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Posted: 23 May 2013 09:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Lois - 23 May 2013 04:59 PM

More vigilant?  What would you have them do? Force every man, woman and child to be accompanied by security guards at all times? Or should they lock up the population and not allow anyone to leave their homes?

Actually, something like this may happen in the UK.

In what way are the British being unrealistic, whatever that may mean? Give specific details, please. Maybe the US and all vulnerable countries can learn from your ideas about being realistic and vigilant.

The UK is too politically correct - and combined with typical British inefficiancy, they won’t admit that multiculturalism is not working there - it never has.  The middle class are leaving the country in big numbers, leaving behind a society of white trash and brown trash that can’t stand each other, and the politicians know that giving the stupid masses what they want will keep them getting re - elected.

It’s a decaying society, but no one in authority will do anything about it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9819096/Two-million-quit-Britain-in-talent-drain.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/2012/nov/06/british-brain-drain-skills-shortages

http://immigrationmatters.co.uk/one-thousand-people-emigrate-from-britain-every-day.html

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Posted: 24 May 2013 10:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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mid atlantic - 23 May 2013 09:31 PM
Lois - 23 May 2013 04:59 PM

More vigilant?  What would you have them do? Force every man, woman and child to be accompanied by security guards at all times? Or should they lock up the population and not allow anyone to leave their homes?

Actually, something like this may happen in the UK.

In what way are the British being unrealistic, whatever that may mean? Give specific details, please. Maybe the US and all vulnerable countries can learn from your ideas about being realistic and vigilant.

The UK is too politically correct - and combined with typical British inefficiancy, they won’t admit that multiculturalism is not working there - it never has.  The middle class are leaving the country in big numbers, leaving behind a society of white trash and brown trash that can’t stand each other, and the politicians know that giving the stupid masses what they want will keep them getting re - elected.

It’s a decaying society, but no one in authority will do anything about it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9819096/Two-million-quit-Britain-in-talent-drain.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/2012/nov/06/british-brain-drain-skills-shortages

http://immigrationmatters.co.uk/one-thousand-people-emigrate-from-britain-every-day.html

THIS is what I was trying to discuss in a few other threads about “the truth” (but using racism as the concept). We all want multi-culturalism to work, but what if in fact is just plain doesn’t. Shouldn’t we then act on that truth instead of bury our heads and keep going?  Personally I’m all for multi-culturalism, but what about groups of people who not only believe otherwise but actually use it against peaceful citizens?  Do we just throw up our hands and say “oh well, that’s the price of it”?

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Posted: 24 May 2013 11:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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I have never cared much for what should or shouldn’t be as it doesn’t seem to explain much at all. And I like things explained so that I can understand them.

According to evidence, multiculturalism causes more harm than benefit. A good example is the willingness to help the less fortunate ones in need in countries (or even states in the U.S.) with mixed populations. Scandinavians probably don’t mind much paying higher taxes because they know that most people in their countries are relatively closely related to them. You can compare this with the other side on the spectrum, with the people in the Middle East living in a modern form of tribal society, where due to cousin marriage people within groups are much closely related to each other than they are to the rest of the population within a given country. The following data shows that the more closely people are related the more willing they are to sacrifice themselves financially to help others:
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And this is only one example. Similar conclusion can probably be seen when we look at all sorts of different aspects of our lives.

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Posted: 24 May 2013 11:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Just what is multiculturalism, anyway?  I haven’t seen it well defined, which would seem to be something significant in determining whether it is or is not desirable.  Is merely allowing “different” people to live among others multiculturalism?

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Posted: 24 May 2013 03:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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George - 24 May 2013 11:16 AM

I have never cared much for what should or shouldn’t be as it doesn’t seem to explain much at all. And I like things explained so that I can understand them…

What is the purpose of acquiring understanding, if you do nothing with that understanding?

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Posted: 24 May 2013 04:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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ciceronianus - 24 May 2013 11:31 AM

Just what is multiculturalism, anyway?  I haven’t seen it well defined, which would seem to be something significant in determining whether it is or is not desirable.  Is merely allowing “different” people to live among others multiculturalism?

Point taken.

In one sense yes, e.g. New York city, where people of almost every imaginable background superficially interact (mostly reasonably) with each other. These groups don’t actually live together and cooperate, though. But, this type of human interaction has always occurred in populated areas - nothing really new about it.

In another sense it’s an ideology that can be (sometimes) institutionalized - and that will only lead to trouble.

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Posted: 24 May 2013 06:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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George - 24 May 2013 11:16 AM

I have never cared much for what should or shouldn’t be as it doesn’t seem to explain much at all. And I like things explained so that I can understand them…

What is the purpose of acquiring understanding, if you do nothing with that understanding?

I like to learn because it’s fun. Also, the more I learn the more I realize how little in fact I know; yeah, I know it’s a horrible cliché but there is a lot of truth to this.

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George - 24 May 2013 06:53 PM
TimB - 24 May 2013 03:44 PM
George - 24 May 2013 11:16 AM

I have never cared much for what should or shouldn’t be as it doesn’t seem to explain much at all. And I like things explained so that I can understand them…

What is the purpose of acquiring understanding, if you do nothing with that understanding?

I like to learn because it’s fun. Also, the more I learn the more I realize how little in fact I know; yeah, I know it’s a horrible cliché but there is a lot of truth to this.

I see.  There is much that I do, also, simply because I enjoy doing it.  But what I enjoy about learning new things is that it provides an opportunity for considering how that connects to other things, and for considering how the knowledge might be used to make things better.

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