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Posted: 30 May 2013 08:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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citizenschallenge.pm - 29 May 2013 10:11 PM
Fish Tumor! - 29 May 2013 10:00 AM

Do any of you ever learn something so damn Amazing that your so sure that other people will feel the same way. Like for me, learning that I was made of star stuff is still number one for me, but ever time I tell people this they just brush it off. If learning that we are made of star stuff won’t hold your interest for a minute, then we are facing the hardiest challenge. Learning about how the cosmos work gives me a feeling inside that I can’t express to others in a justified way.

Yea, I like how you put that.  I been lucky . . .  at eighteen (‘74) I was at Glacier Point, YNP
(http://www.yosemitefun.com/glacier_point.htm)

and the original SideWalkAstronomer was there giving a program and he mentioned that about the star dust and it totally blew me away. 
Chewed on that thought a long time and still do… you’re not alone

I been learning about evolution - not just the stars but our planet and the pageant of how this rock evolved into this incredible world full of fantastic life forms and environments - for decades now.
Most magnificent journey, popularized science for sure, no serious studying, but still given a few decades of reading some books and lots of articles and one does start developing an appreciation and yes I know how all that wonder out there does fill the soul like no Bible sermon can touch.

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those photos of Glacier Point are breath taking. I’ve never taken the time to look into that place. What a site it must of been to see that view in the Flesh-n-Bones. Learning about the birth of earth is also a mind blowing expirence as well.

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Posted: 02 June 2013 01:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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I recommend Glacier Point very highly. While you’re in the area hike the Mist Trail at least to Vernal Fall. If you have the energy keep going to Nevada Fall. You can see both falls from Glacier Point.

Fish Tumor! - 29 May 2013 10:00 AM

Ill admit that talking to me like a 10 year child is what you have to do when it comes to astronomy. I love astronomy and will always be into it. But truly most of it goes right over my head when reading books or watching lectures on it. I’m smart enough to understand that I really don’t understand most of it. I get the basics but nothing like the minds of Sagan or Tyson. But gosh damn I can’t get enough of astronomy, I’m like a fiend for it. To me it’s just the most interesting topic in the known universe. Back to the challenge of getting people to care and being curious. Do any of you ever learn something so damn Amazing that your so sure that other people will feel the same way. Like for me, learning that I was made of star stuff is still number one for me, but ever time I tell people this they just brush it off. If learning that we are made of star stuff won’t hold your interest for a minute, then we are facing the hardiest challenge. Learning about how the cosmos work gives me a feeling inside that I can’t express to others in a justified way.

I could have written those words. The universe fascinates me, and the more I learn the more it boggles my mind. I cannot understand why so many people are incurious about the cosmos. I spent many a pleasant summer night in my grandparents’ back yard staring at the night sky, looking for meteors and satellites and wondering if anyone else was looking back my direction with the same sense of awe. I have a really nice 8-inch telescope and spend not nearly enough time using it. As soon as I get out of school I’m going to restart heavy involvement in our local astronomy club. My favorite part of astronomy is doing public outreach and showing people some of the nearby wonders of the universe.

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Posted: 02 June 2013 09:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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DarronS - 02 June 2013 01:10 PM

I recommend Glacier Point very highly. While you’re in the area hike the Mist Trail at least to Vernal Fall. If you have the energy keep going to Nevada Fall. You can see both falls from Glacier Point.

Hell, if you got the energy, keep going and you can wind up at the top of Half Dome   wink

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here’s a tour, includes those water falls Darron’s talking about.
http://timberlinetrails.net/YosemiteHalfDome.html

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Posted: 03 June 2013 05:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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DarronS - 02 June 2013 01:10 PM

I recommend Glacier Point very highly. While you’re in the area hike the Mist Trail at least to Vernal Fall. If you have the energy keep going to Nevada Fall. You can see both falls from Glacier Point.

Fish Tumor! - 29 May 2013 10:00 AM

Ill admit that talking to me like a 10 year child is what you have to do when it comes to astronomy. I love astronomy and will always be into it. But truly most of it goes right over my head when reading books or watching lectures on it. I’m smart enough to understand that I really don’t understand most of it. I get the basics but nothing like the minds of Sagan or Tyson. But gosh damn I can’t get enough of astronomy, I’m like a fiend for it. To me it’s just the most interesting topic in the known universe. Back to the challenge of getting people to care and being curious. Do any of you ever learn something so damn Amazing that your so sure that other people will feel the same way. Like for me, learning that I was made of star stuff is still number one for me, but ever time I tell people this they just brush it off. If learning that we are made of star stuff won’t hold your interest for a minute, then we are facing the hardiest challenge. Learning about how the cosmos work gives me a feeling inside that I can’t express to others in a justified way.

I could have written those words. The universe fascinates me, and the more I learn the more it boggles my mind. I cannot understand why so many people are incurious about the cosmos. I spent many a pleasant summer night in my grandparents’ back yard staring at the night sky, looking for meteors and satellites and wondering if anyone else was looking back my direction with the same sense of awe. I have a really nice 8-inch telescope and spend not nearly enough time using it. As soon as I get out of school I’m going to restart heavy involvement in our local astronomy club. My favorite part of astronomy is doing public outreach and showing people some of the nearby wonders of the universe.

I also have a telescope and I love how when using it, it brings into focus a ocean of stars. Damn that is the best.

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Posted: 03 June 2013 06:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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citizenschallenge.pm - 02 June 2013 09:29 PM

Hell, if you got the energy, keep going and you can wind up at the top of Half Dome   wink

I don’t think so. I’m a chicken when it comes to heights. Nevada Fall was about my limit. My wife, son and I tried hiking to Upper Yosemite Fall from the valley floor one year. We got about halfway and came to a four-foot wide ledge with people walking both ways, and a 1,500 foot drop of the edge. Our sone sat down and refused to go further. My wife urged him to go on, but I told her we shouldn’t force him to do something he didn’t want to do. I didn’t have to tell her there was no way I was walking on the outside of that ledge. Hell, I would have been crawling on the inside if I attempted it, then she’d have to hike back down and get the car to retrieve me in Tuolumne Meadow. sick

I have to admit I spent an hour this morning reading the website you linked, then found yosemitehikes.com and spent another hour reading that site. Made me realize how much I miss Yosemite.

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Posted: 03 June 2013 06:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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Fish Tumor! - 03 June 2013 05:42 PM

I also have a telescope and I love how when using it, it brings into focus a ocean of stars. Damn that is the best.

The Orion Nebula is still my favorite object to view, although the Virgo Cluster of Galaxies is pretty darn impressive through a large telescope under dark skies, such as the 82-inch telescope at the McDonald Observatory outside Ft. Davis, TX.

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Posted: 03 June 2013 07:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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DarronS - 03 June 2013 06:08 PM
citizenschallenge.pm - 02 June 2013 09:29 PM

Hell, if you got the energy, keep going and you can wind up at the top of Half Dome   wink

I don’t think so. I’m a chicken when it comes to heights.

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Posted: 03 June 2013 07:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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I had quite enough excitement when one of my friends and I hiked to the Vernal Fall Bridge one winter. Snow started falling as we set up our cameras* and we were so intent on taking photos that we didn’t notice four inches had fallen in one hour, and we had to hike back down that trail. The photos on the website you linked show the easy, lower part of the trail. The steeper, higher part does not have a wall on the outside, and it was icy as we were making our way back to the valley floor. That was an interesting afternoon. I’d name the ranger who suggested we hike up there, but I may want to take a photo workshop with him in the future and don’t want to nuke that relationship.

I think I’d be capable of getting to the top of Halfdome. Getting down would be the problem. I could ignore the height on the way up. Of course, at our age getting in shape to try the hike would take a lot of work.  wink That’s my excuse and I’m sticking to it.

*The worst part is all we got were photos of white streaks blocking the view of the fall. But it was beautiful. Too bad the photos didn’t work.

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Posted: 03 June 2013 07:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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too bad about the photos Darron

Yea, when it starts snowing it can dump like no other place I’ve ever lived.

Steep and icy and windy, the spice of life.

Fish Tumor, if you can ever get a chance to get out that way, go for it.  cheese

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Posted: 03 June 2013 07:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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citizenschallenge.pm - 03 June 2013 07:30 PM

too bad about the photos Darron

Yea, when it starts snowing it can dump like no other place I’ve ever lived.

Steep and icy and windy, the spice of life.

Yeah. One weekend two friends and I rented a tent cabin in the valley. We all took our cameras. NWS predicted four to eight inches of snow. We awoke on Saturday morning to two feet of snow and visibility of less than 50 yards. The storm dumped four feet of snow before it ended. We were stuck in Yosemite Valley for three days before the roads were cleared enough to get out. Good thing we took Scotch.

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Posted: 03 June 2013 07:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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Darron, I would think that if you are in shape enough to get to the top, you mostly just need sure-footedness to get back down, because, then, gravity and increasing oxygen levels are your friend.

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Posted: 03 June 2013 07:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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TimB - 03 June 2013 07:36 PM

Darron, I would think that if you are in shape enough to get to the top, you mostly just need sure-footedness to get back down, because, then, gravity and increasing oxygen levels are your friend.

Naw, it’s looking down at that steep slope that bothers me. I got dizzy looking over the railing on the North Rim of the Grand Canyon. Of course, if I did manage to make it up to the top of Halfdome I wouldn’t have much choice about coming back down. I doubt the rangers would have much sympathy if I called them on my cell phone and asked for a helicopter.

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Posted: 07 October 2013 12:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Fish Tumor! - 29 May 2013 05:38 PM
TimB - 29 May 2013 03:13 PM
Fish Tumor! - 29 May 2013 10:00 AM

... Learning about how the cosmos work gives me a feeling inside that I can’t express to others in a justified way.

How about this:  “engaging in the quest to discover where and how things began” (can make you feel) “as if knowing the beginning bestows upon you some form of fellowship with, or perhaps governance over, all that comes later”.  quoted portions by N.D. Tyson

I love that! Thank you.

I really love that and thank you for sharing.

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DarronS - 03 June 2013 06:19 PM
Fish Tumor! - 03 June 2013 05:42 PM

I also have a telescope and I love how when using it, it brings into focus a ocean of stars. Damn that is the best.

The Orion Nebula is still my favorite object to view, although the Virgo Cluster of Galaxies is pretty darn impressive through a large telescope under dark skies, such as the 82-inch telescope at the McDonald Observatory outside Ft. Davis, TX.

I would love to has a large telescope to view the universe.

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Posted: 07 October 2013 07:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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A different hike in Yosemite is to drive to Tuolome (sp) Meadows (7,000+ feet), park your car and backpack to the three Young’s Lakes.  The upper one is about 10,500 feet high as I recall (not too certain because it was in 1974).  Stay there an extra day to build platelets and red blood vessels.  Then hike cross-country to the north end of the park. Finally, hike south along the western trails back to Tuolome Meadows.  Should take about eight days, but seeing the animals, the stars, the unbelievable views can’t be forgotten.

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