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Posted: 06 June 2013 03:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 61 ]
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The quote - Atheism is a lack of belief in any god.
The result - You are in fact presupposing the “God” exists.

Sorry Mike, it doesn’t presuppose anything of the kind. All you’ve offered here is a non sequitur

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Posted: 06 June 2013 03:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 62 ]
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You know EOC that I have no belief in Billbobgorges.

Now, you are saying that people read this and there will be no presupposing by some people that the Billbobgorges may exist? If they do then they have presupposed. I just said I had no belief in them, I didn’t say they even existed.

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Posted: 06 June 2013 04:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 63 ]
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I have always for the last fifty years or more thought of myself as an atheist. Got sometime to study religion and eight years back I tried to get a clear picture of what an atheist was. As of today the word does not have a meaning that is clear and means the same thing to all people.

The Christian movement probably helped the most in changing the meaning of atheist.  Lot of the dictionaries years ago used terms like “the creator of the universe”, and other Christian meanings. In the end the Christians lost ground and their meaning were removed from the dictionaries.

There has been the removal of “God” from the meaning, replace with the word “Deity” in some dictionaries.

Many groups on the web even came up with their own definition to use. They were always very close to one of the dictionary meanings. 

In our society today it is not uncommon for these types of problems. Take the word “Employee” for example. Easy word, been around for a long time. A word everyone has used and understands, right? Need the legal definition, go to Black Law Dictionary. But you better not use any of those definitions when dealing with the State or Federal governments. You better pull the code book and find out the definition of each and every department, because what is an employee in one department may not be an employee in another department.

It would be a simpler life if we could all agree in the meanings of words.

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There is, unfortunately, some disagreement about the definition of atheism.
The broader, and more common, understanding of atheism among atheists is quite simply “not believing in any gods.”

How we see ourselves is maybe not as important as how others see us.

The problem with “Atheist” is in using the word “God”.

Using Deity helped a lot, but does not fix the problem completely.

Now Today
Atheist - A person who believes that there is no god

What is better and will solve the problems.
Atheist - A person who believes that the supposed deity that Christians purport to be the creator and ruler of the universe does not exist.

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Posted: 07 June 2013 04:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 64 ]
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Mike Yohe - 06 June 2013 04:05 PM

 

 

Now Today
Atheist - A person who believes that there is no god

What is better and will solve the problems.
Atheist - A person who believes that the supposed deity that Christians purport to be the creator and ruler of the universe does not exist.

That omits disbelief in any non-Christian deities. If an individual believes in one particular deity, but not others, they are not an atheist.

The current definition of Atheist is very functional for most moderately intelligent people.

It seems as though you are trying to be “deep” about something that is not complicated.

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Posted: 07 June 2013 11:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 65 ]
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Mid atlantic,    Post #64
Yea, I know, I thought the same thing. This definition is only directed at the Christian gods.
But,
When you look at where the problem is.
It is not with atheists.
It is not with the non-Christian gods.
It is with the Christians.
Just a guess – 99% of the problem is with the Christians gods or believers.

So while it is not perfect. It would almost eliminate the problem. And directing the definition directly at the Christians helps.

The Definition came from Dr. Terence Meaden at the “Atheist Nexus http://www.atheistnexus.org/


{It seems as though you are trying to be “deep” about something that is not complicated.}

I know it seem that way, if the atheists weren’t just the 2% of the population it would be better.

So, how come something so simple can be misunderstood by so many Christians?

ABOUT internet site.
There is, unfortunately, some disagreement about the definition of atheism.

I have other issues too that using Dr. Meaden’s definitions may cause. But I would vote for using his definition because it would help solve the problem and keep it simple.

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Posted: 07 June 2013 06:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 66 ]
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You know EOC that I have no belief in Billbobgorges.

So what? Your post is a red herring.

You’re still  overthinking the problem and looking for complexities and nuances where they simply do not exist.

What element of that escapes you?

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Posted: 07 June 2013 07:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 67 ]
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EOC   Post #66
Ok, please tell me, when a site like ABOUT post the following.


[ABOUT internet site.]
[There is, unfortunately, some disagreement about the definition of atheism.]


I’m I wrong to assume you have strong feelings of what the definition should be, which you should, as the data states all atheists pretty much agree on the meaning. I know I have no problem. That’s why I was wondering why there was a problem.
We are only 2% of the population according to the CIA.

What is your thinking for the problem?
Or do you agree that there is even a problem?

Do you think that maybe it’s a bad gene that some Christians have?

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Posted: 07 June 2013 07:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 68 ]
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The problem does not exist among atheists, it is introduced by believers in any ‘universal pseudo intelligence’ that requires our worship.

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and ‘Hallelujaa’..........pop.gifchoir.gif

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Posted: 08 June 2013 05:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 69 ]
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Emoticons appear to be evolving.

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Posted: 08 June 2013 05:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 70 ]
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I hope it is not against the rules , but there are some expressive smileys around. I have been using it awhile and seems clean. It’s free.

http://www.pic4ever.com/index.php 

I copy and paste from the Forum column, seems to work fine.

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Posted: 08 June 2013 06:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 71 ]
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I think they are fun.  Thanks for the link.

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Posted: 08 June 2013 09:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 72 ]
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Ok, please tell me, when a site like ABOUT post the following.

No I won’t. There’s no need. There is absolutely nothing more to being an atheist then a lack of belief in ANY god.

Why are you being so bloody obtuse over something as simple as this?

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Posted: 08 June 2013 05:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 73 ]
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Yes there is.
The Christians view your statement as there is a god, you just a non-believer.
(Of course us 2%(atheists) fully agree and understand what you mean).

Point being, if we are going to give ourselves a title. We should pick a meaning that most others understand. Not just us.

And just ignoring the problems ABOUT and others are having with the definition will not make the problem go away.

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Posted: 08 June 2013 06:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 74 ]
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Mike Yohe - 08 June 2013 05:16 PM

Yes there is.
The Christians view your statement as there is a god, you just a non-believer.
(Of course us 2%(atheists) fully agree and understand what you mean).

Not really, any reasonably intelligent person will also know what atheists mean by saying, “I do NOT BELIEVE a god exists”.

Point being, if we are going to give ourselves a title. We should pick a meaning that most others understand[. Not just us.

And just ignoring the problems ABOUT and others are having with the definition will not make the problem go away.

There is only one word that satisfies all the properties of God without having to believe any of the mythology. It is already in use world wide, by scientists and lay alike. Even theists use the word all the time.  We use it because we know exactly what we mean when we see the functions and implication of the practical and abstract use of the scientific word Potential. Among other definitions science defines potential as the inherent properties and abilities of a dynamic system or structure that function as a wholeness, a totality, without purpose, remorse or affection.

Then, the final logical argument from the definition of Potential.

potential = that which may become reality. Thus, while not all potential becomes reality, all reality is, was, and will be preceded by potential. Even the Big Bang was preceded by Potential. It is the true definition of “creative ability”, Potential.

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Posted: 09 June 2013 07:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 75 ]
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Write4U - Then, the final logical argument from the definition of Potential.

potential = that which may become reality. Thus, while not all potential becomes reality, all reality is, was, and will be preceded by potential. Even the Big Bang was preceded by Potential. It is the true definition of “creative ability”, Potential.

The understanding of God, being resolved here is not really a universal understanding.  Only the dualistic theologies are ‘resolved’ by the above argument.  It does not resolve the monistic conceptualization.  Potential/Potential made Explicate.  Inseparable.

The field of Potentiality does not disappear once a Potential is made Explicate.

When the Potential of ‘Time’ manifests. What is the ground of Events within Time? Potentiality.  Infinite singularity.  Eternal ‘Here and Now’.

The arguments of Atheists against dualistic conceptualizations of God,  is like 5th graders badgering 3rd graders about their lack of education.

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