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Posted: 04 June 2013 06:07 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Or they may wind up getting 20 years to life in prison, as is the case with Bradley Manning.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/world/humanist-manning-wanted-to-lift-fog-of-war/article4782008.ece

On a lighter note (not really) it has already been determined that he was wrongly imprisoned for 127 days by the military, and those 127 days are to come off of whatever sentence he ultimately gets.  If the sentence is life, I wonder whether he gets to choose which 127 days that will be.

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Posted: 04 June 2013 06:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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I can understand the rationale behind leaking video of airstrikes that killed civilians ( although its a bit naive for anyone to think that the unilateral release of such information from U.S. files without a reciprocal release of similar info from other countries was going to have anything but a harmful effect on his fellow soldiers and citizens) but someone needs to explain to me why the supposed good intentions this naive boy included the release of “74,000 service-members’ personal information and email IDs.”

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Posted: 04 June 2013 06:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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I don’t think that the program that he used to get the massive amount of downloads, was geared to pick out evidence of military bungles.  I imagine that Manning just got everything he could as quickly as he could, and just turned it all over to WikiLeaks.

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Posted: 04 June 2013 07:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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I think that it is too bad that the atrocities committed in war (both those committed in error and those committed with purpose) are not automatically broadcast to the citizens of the country whose military committed them.  I think that most civilians don’t have a clue about what goes on.  But then again, most probably don’t want to know.

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Posted: 04 June 2013 10:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Meh, I don’t have too much sympathy for him.  He seems to have been a massive troll, who’s trolling backfired on him.

I can’t imagine what compelled a guy like that to join the damn Army?!

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Posted: 04 June 2013 11:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Maybe humanists should not be accepted for military service.

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Posted: 05 June 2013 02:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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TimB - 04 June 2013 11:57 PM

Maybe humanists should not be accepted for military service.

I imagine many humanists find the armed forces totally unappealing, so it’s not like the military has to weed them out, so to speak.

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Posted: 05 June 2013 03:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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mid atlantic - 05 June 2013 02:27 AM
TimB - 04 June 2013 11:57 PM

Maybe humanists should not be accepted for military service.

I imagine many humanists find the armed forces totally unappealing, so it’s not like the military has to weed them out, so to speak.

The military needs humanists, IMO. The world is not perfect. There are people who seek to slaughter others, and dealing with those people requires complex, nasty decisions sometimes. Military-wise, it can mean things such as sending in a missile to take out a terrorist and in the process accidentally killing some civilians. But to be in charge of such exercises, humanists are exactly the types of people one would want.

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Posted: 06 June 2013 02:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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LogicMan - 05 June 2013 03:49 PM
mid atlantic - 05 June 2013 02:27 AM
TimB - 04 June 2013 11:57 PM

Maybe humanists should not be accepted for military service.

I imagine many humanists find the armed forces totally unappealing, so it’s not like the military has to weed them out, so to speak.

The military needs humanists, IMO. The world is not perfect. There are people who seek to slaughter others, and dealing with those people requires complex, nasty decisions sometimes. Military-wise, it can mean things such as sending in a missile to take out a terrorist and in the process accidentally killing some civilians. But to be in charge of such exercises, humanists are exactly the types of people one would want.

I can see where you’re coming from with that, but it’s incorrect, IMO. Humanists don’t have the capacity to do what you are describing.

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Posted: 12 June 2013 12:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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mid atlantic - 06 June 2013 02:41 AM
LogicMan - 05 June 2013 03:49 PM
mid atlantic - 05 June 2013 02:27 AM
TimB - 04 June 2013 11:57 PM

Maybe humanists should not be accepted for military service.

I imagine many humanists find the armed forces totally unappealing, so it’s not like the military has to weed them out, so to speak.

The military needs humanists, IMO. The world is not perfect. There are people who seek to slaughter others, and dealing with those people requires complex, nasty decisions sometimes. Military-wise, it can mean things such as sending in a missile to take out a terrorist and in the process accidentally killing some civilians. But to be in charge of such exercises, humanists are exactly the types of people one would want.

I can see where you’re coming from with that, but it’s incorrect, IMO. Humanists don’t have the capacity to do what you are describing.

It’s not that they don’t have the capacity. Humanists will do whatever they deem is necessary and appropriate to accomplish the best outcome. The problem is that most humanists tend to have very established and well-articulated convictions about such matters, which makes them less malleable to military propaganda techniques than others.

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Posted: 15 June 2013 03:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Cloak - 12 June 2013 12:52 PM
mid atlantic - 06 June 2013 02:41 AM
LogicMan - 05 June 2013 03:49 PM
mid atlantic - 05 June 2013 02:27 AM
TimB - 04 June 2013 11:57 PM

Maybe humanists should not be accepted for military service.

I imagine many humanists find the armed forces totally unappealing, so it’s not like the military has to weed them out, so to speak.

The military needs humanists, IMO. The world is not perfect. There are people who seek to slaughter others, and dealing with those people requires complex, nasty decisions sometimes. Military-wise, it can mean things such as sending in a missile to take out a terrorist and in the process accidentally killing some civilians. But to be in charge of such exercises, humanists are exactly the types of people one would want.

I can see where you’re coming from with that, but it’s incorrect, IMO. Humanists don’t have the capacity to do what you are describing.

It’s not that they don’t have the capacity. Humanists will do whatever they deem is necessary and appropriate to accomplish the best outcome. The problem is that most humanists tend to have very established and well-articulated convictions about such matters, which makes them less malleable to military propaganda techniques than others.

Uh-huh. blank stare

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Posted: 15 June 2013 06:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Cloak - 12 June 2013 12:52 PM
mid atlantic - 06 June 2013 02:41 AM
LogicMan - 05 June 2013 03:49 PM
mid atlantic - 05 June 2013 02:27 AM
TimB - 04 June 2013 11:57 PM

Maybe humanists should not be accepted for military service.

I imagine many humanists find the armed forces totally unappealing, so it’s not like the military has to weed them out, so to speak.

The military needs humanists, IMO. The world is not perfect. There are people who seek to slaughter others, and dealing with those people requires complex, nasty decisions sometimes. Military-wise, it can mean things such as sending in a missile to take out a terrorist and in the process accidentally killing some civilians. But to be in charge of such exercises, humanists are exactly the types of people one would want.

I can see where you’re coming from with that, but it’s incorrect, IMO. Humanists don’t have the capacity to do what you are describing.

It’s not that they don’t have the capacity. Humanists will do whatever they deem is necessary and appropriate to accomplish the best outcome. The problem is that most humanists tend to have very established and well-articulated convictions about such matters, which makes them less malleable to military propaganda techniques than others.

That’s right, especially the ones that are fighting for god and country. They will do everything they’re told.  They make perfect military cogs. That’s why the military pushes religion.  They know it encourages people to follow orders unquestioningly, the essence of war and mayhem.

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Posted: 15 June 2013 09:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Posted: 15 June 2013 11:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Lois - 15 June 2013 06:58 AM

That’s right, especially the ones that are fighting for god and country. They will do everything they’re told.  They make perfect military cogs. That’s why the military pushes religion.  They know it encourages people to follow orders unquestioningly, the essence of war and mayhem.

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Mindless trigger pullers is the last thing the military wants. Today’s military emphasizes critical thinking and independent thought and professionalism. And the military doesn’t push religion. If anything, political correctness is becoming excessive within the military. It’s just that a lot of people in the military happen to be religious is all.

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Posted: 15 June 2013 12:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Mindless trigger pullers is the last thing the military wants. Today’s military emphasizes critical thinking and independent thought and professionalism. And the military doesn’t push religion. If anything, political correctness is becoming excessive within the military. It’s just that a lot of people in the military happen to be religious is all.

At least we can agree partially here. The ASVAB test, administered to high school students was created to weed out those who might be considered “mindless trigger pullers” and encourage the students with a high score with college scholarships. Our daughter was once offered one from the Marine Corps; a complete scholarship and entrance to OCS if she chose military service as a career. She didn’t, however and got her degree in Biology. But don’t be too hasty in stating that the military doesn’t push religion. Every base and training area comes complete with a church or cathedral ( the one on Anapolis is absolutely awesome) and pastors, priests, and rabbis abound. Humanists BTW are still fighting for the right to have secular counselors and there have been many posts on the CFI site to attest to this. And as to many military personnel being religious, a lot of it comes from their background. Many, some cite as much as 40% or more have a background in the conservative South where fundamentalism abounds and joining the military is a family tradition plus it acts as a method of training for future jobs.


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Posted: 15 June 2013 02:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Thevillageatheist - 15 June 2013 12:09 PM

At least we can agree partially here. The ASVAB test, administered to high school students was created to weed out those who might be considered “mindless trigger pullers” and encourage the students with a high score with college scholarships. Our daughter was once offered one from the Marine Corps; a complete scholarship and entrance to OCS if she chose military service as a career. She didn’t, however and got her degree in Biology. But don’t be too hasty in stating that the military doesn’t push religion. Every base and training area comes complete with a church or cathedral ( the one on Anapolis is absolutely awesome) and pastors, priests, and rabbis abound. Humanists BTW are still fighting for the right to have secular counselors and there have been many posts on the CFI site to attest to this. And as to many military personnel being religious, a lot of it comes from their background. Many, some cite as much as 40% or more have a background in the conservative South where fundamentalism abounds and joining the military is a family tradition plus it acts as a method of training for future jobs.


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Yes, but that isn’t really “pushing” religion so much as just accommodating those who are religious.

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