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Posted: 14 June 2013 06:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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Obama Admin’s Secret Surveillance Policies

Obama’s Drone Policies and the Many Innocent Deaths (which includes children) It Has Caused

What exactly does it take for people to stop defending this guy? I swear, even if a report came up which said “Obama is now eating children”, some of his loyal fans would still find some way to justify it…..

Just as some people would continue to criticize him if he came up with a cure for cancer. Republicans would say it will raise taxes.

Lois

I’m not a Republican or a Democrat, but I can promise you, most assuredly, Obama will NEVER produce anything as helpful to the people as the cure for cancer. Whatever he produces, if anything at all, will be designed, filtered, watered down, and ultimately corrupted, by his Wall Street bosses who are responsible for giving the final approval for his decisions.

The cure for cancer would seriously disrupt the Obama driven quest for miraculous health coverage - so it would have to be covered up. LOL

The cult of personality that has formed around Obama is intoxicating to his fans. That will likely protect him from too much criticism, no matter how bad he is.

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Posted: 14 June 2013 09:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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Are you saying that there is not an almost equal number who desperately want Obama to fail and who do not desperately want him to be blocked from doing anything productive?

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Posted: 14 June 2013 10:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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TimB - 14 June 2013 09:58 AM

Are you saying that there is not an almost equal number who desperately want Obama to fail and who do not desperately want him to be blocked from doing anything productive?

In fact that describes the whole Republican Party.  They started denigrating him from Day One and have not let up for a moment. They block everything he’s tried to do, then they call him ineffective. Typical Republican tactics. The biggest mistake Obama made was to try to negotiate and compromise with them. They will always be political warthogs.

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Posted: 14 June 2013 02:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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Lois - 14 June 2013 10:56 AM
TimB - 14 June 2013 09:58 AM

Are you saying that there is not an almost equal number who desperately want Obama to fail and who do not desperately want him to be blocked from doing anything productive?

In fact that describes the whole Republican Party.  They started denigrating him from Day One and have not let up for a moment. They block everything he’s tried to do, then they call him ineffective. Typical Republican tactics. The biggest mistake Obama made was to try to negotiate and compromise with them. They will always be political warthogs.

Lois

And what about Obama? What about the Democratic party? Do you have anything to say about them?

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Posted: 14 June 2013 02:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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TimB - 14 June 2013 09:58 AM

Are you saying that there is not an almost equal number who desperately want Obama to fail and who do not desperately want him to be blocked from doing anything productive?

And this is relevant how? Or are you just like Lois here, who is willing to attribute every single bad thing that Obama has been connected with to those “evil Republicans?”

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Posted: 14 June 2013 03:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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TimB - 14 June 2013 09:58 AM

Are you saying that there is not an almost equal number who desperately want Obama to fail and who do not desperately want him to be blocked from doing anything productive?

And this is relevant how? Or are you just like Lois here, who is willing to attribute every single bad thing that Obama has been connected with to those “evil Republicans?”

It is a relevant response to this statement: “The cult of personality that has formed around Obama is intoxicating to his fans. That will likely protect him from too much criticism, no matter how bad he is.”

I suspect that you would being saying the things that you have been saying, regardless of who were POTUS currently, as your motivation seems to be geared toward the entire system crumbling so that a Brave New World can emerge.

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Posted: 14 June 2013 05:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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DarronS - 12 June 2013 02:52 PM

The problem is it takes so much money to run for national office that anyone who holds onto his/her values cannot raise enough money to get elected, therefore we end up with the politicians who most successfully sell their souls.

As they way, we have the best government money can buy.

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Posted: 14 June 2013 07:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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TimB - 14 June 2013 09:58 AM

Are you saying that there is not an almost equal number who desperately want Obama to fail and who do not desperately want him to be blocked from doing anything productive?

And this is relevant how? Or are you just like Lois here, who is willing to attribute every single bad thing that Obama has been connected with to those “evil Republicans?”

It is a relevant response to this statement: “The cult of personality that has formed around Obama is intoxicating to his fans. That will likely protect him from too much criticism, no matter how bad he is.”

I suspect that you would being saying the things that you have been saying, regardless of who were POTUS currently, as your motivation seems to be geared toward the entire system crumbling so that a Brave New World can emerge.

No, what’s different from me and you is that I call a spade a spade, while you still say that a war criminal is “doing a pretty good job”, that is, as long as he’s a Democrat, I guess. It’s as if the majority of the liberal base is suffering from a massive collective case of Stockholm Syndrome.

And no, my desire is that the people have a chance to decide their destiny, not a bunch of corporate bureaucrats who have no interest in the people they claim to “represent”.

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Posted: 14 June 2013 07:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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TimB - 14 June 2013 09:58 AM

Are you saying that there is not an almost equal number who desperately want Obama to fail and who do not desperately want him to be blocked from doing anything productive?

In fact that describes the whole Republican Party.  They started denigrating him from Day One and have not let up for a moment. They block everything he’s tried to do, then they call him ineffective. Typical Republican tactics. The biggest mistake Obama made was to try to negotiate and compromise with them. They will always be political warthogs.

Lois


And what about Obama? What about the Democratic party? Do you have anything to say about them?


Sure, thry make mistakes and bad decisions, but at least they are not obstructionists for the sake of obstructionism, which present-day Republicans have proven themselves to be. 

Lois

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Posted: 14 June 2013 07:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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TimB - 14 June 2013 09:58 AM

Are you saying that there is not an almost equal number who desperately want Obama to fail and who do not desperately want him to be blocked from doing anything productive?

And this is relevant how? Or are you just like Lois here, who is willing to attribute every single bad thing that Obama has been connected with to those “evil Republicans?”

It is a relevant response to this statement: “The cult of personality that has formed around Obama is intoxicating to his fans. That will likely protect him from too much criticism, no matter how bad he is.”

I suspect that you would being saying the things that you have been saying, regardless of who were POTUS currently, as your motivation seems to be geared toward the entire system crumbling so that a Brave New World can emerge.

No, what’s different from me and you is that I call a spade a spade, while you still say that a war criminal is “doing a pretty good job”, that is, as long as he’s a Democrat, I guess. It’s as if the majority of the liberal base is suffering from a massive collective case of Stockholm Syndrome.

And no, my desire is that the people have a chance to decide their destiny, not a bunch of corporate bureaucrats who have no interest in the people they claim to “represent”.

Oh, I see you’re not a Republican, then.  Congratulations.

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Posted: 14 June 2013 07:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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Lois - 14 June 2013 07:49 PM
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Lois - 14 June 2013 10:56 AM
TimB - 14 June 2013 09:58 AM

Are you saying that there is not an almost equal number who desperately want Obama to fail and who do not desperately want him to be blocked from doing anything productive?

In fact that describes the whole Republican Party.  They started denigrating him from Day One and have not let up for a moment. They block everything he’s tried to do, then they call him ineffective. Typical Republican tactics. The biggest mistake Obama made was to try to negotiate and compromise with them. They will always be political warthogs.

Lois


And what about Obama? What about the Democratic party? Do you have anything to say about them?


Sure, thry make mistakes and bad decisions, but at least they are not obstructionists for the sake of obstructionism, which present-day Republicans have proven themselves to be. 

Lois

I see. If Obama or Democrats do it, then it’s nothing more than a “mistake” or “bad decision”. Do you not detect the cognitive dissonance that results from such logic? If you do, then you’re just being intellectually dishonest.

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Posted: 14 June 2013 08:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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Cloak - 14 June 2013 07:06 PM
TimB - 14 June 2013 03:57 PM
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TimB - 14 June 2013 09:58 AM

Are you saying that there is not an almost equal number who desperately want Obama to fail and who do not desperately want him to be blocked from doing anything productive?

And this is relevant how? Or are you just like Lois here, who is willing to attribute every single bad thing that Obama has been connected with to those “evil Republicans?”

It is a relevant response to this statement: “The cult of personality that has formed around Obama is intoxicating to his fans. That will likely protect him from too much criticism, no matter how bad he is.”

I suspect that you would being saying the things that you have been saying, regardless of who were POTUS currently, as your motivation seems to be geared toward the entire system crumbling so that a Brave New World can emerge.

No, what’s different from me and you is that I call a spade a spade, while you still say that a war criminal is “doing a pretty good job”, that is, as long as he’s a Democrat, I guess. It’s as if the majority of the liberal base is suffering from a massive collective case of Stockholm Syndrome.

And no, my desire is that the people have a chance to decide their destiny, not a bunch of corporate bureaucrats who have no interest in the people they claim to “represent”.

I think that you would call a teaspoon a spade if it suits your purpose.

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Posted: 14 June 2013 08:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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TimB - 14 June 2013 08:16 PM

I think that you would call a teaspoon a spade if it suits your purpose.

I’m sorry, but I think that sounds a bit more like your position than mine. You’re the one that would call a teaspoon a spade, as long as it protects Obama from culpability, remember?

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Posted: 14 June 2013 08:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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TimB - 14 June 2013 08:16 PM

I think that you would call a teaspoon a spade if it suits your purpose.

I’m sorry, but I think that sounds a bit more like your position than mine. You’re the one that would call a teaspoon a spade, as long as it protects Obama from culpability, remember?

You’re the one who equates the “evil Republicans” to the “evil Democrats”.  Shall we continue or just resolve that we are in our separate boats, and we each consider our own boat to be superior?

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Posted: 14 June 2013 09:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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TimB - 14 June 2013 08:50 PM
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TimB - 14 June 2013 08:16 PM

I think that you would call a teaspoon a spade if it suits your purpose.

I’m sorry, but I think that sounds a bit more like your position than mine. You’re the one that would call a teaspoon a spade, as long as it protects Obama from culpability, remember?

You’re the one who equates the “evil Republicans” to the “evil Democrats”.  Shall we continue or just resolve that we are in our separate boats, and we each consider our own boat to be superior?

Exactly. As I said, I call a spade a spade.

And its not about arguing about who’s got the “superior boat”. It’s the fact that repairs to a boat can’t be made until you first acknowledge the problem in the first place, despite how much the truth may hurt.

Look, I’m not trying to attack you. These are passionate issues we are discussing, and inevitable tensions are going to rise. I’m just trying to get some people to see that ignoring the fact that the boat is sinking, and instead choosing to point fingers back and forth (Reps vs. Dems) doesn’t solve the problem. It simply compounds it, and paralyzes the people from focusing on the things that they have in common, such as the fact that we are ALL being raped by a system that doesn’t work for us.

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