I’m glad to see that you’re not quitting, Darron.
I read everything and feel just as confused as some of the others here in this regard. Perhaps it is the differences in our experiences which make some perceive an insult where others don’t. I personally don’t care if I’m insulted in the heat of debate as we are emotional beings that don’t always intend the actual harms we incidentally express in communicating. I’ve been accused before by some acquaintances of having some anger issue in the midst of some discussion. Confused, I would try to explain to this person that I am far from it and whatever you are perceiving is perhaps my natural zeal for discussion or something. Thinking that that is a sufficient explanation, I then hope that we can carry on and get back to our discussion at hand. Instead, I am charged doubly for it as somehow even my explanation was interpreted as assuring my ire. So now I’m off track with the original argument and am feeling betrayed that my own words are insufficient to console this person. Now I am becoming angry because the frustration of the accusation is getting insoluble. And thus, I indeed have proven my anger!
I actually disagree with associating feminism to represent a significant stance on being skeptical or humanist and feel that overt support should not be granted to the cause because it is extraneous and irrelevant to the cause. Whether a majority of people who are feminists are also skeptics or humanists, the association dictates to others that in order to be feminist, you must not be religious. Not only is this absurd, there are many women who are not religious and yet find themselves indifferent or in disagreement with the general feminist ideologies. I know many such women more than any other. In fact, their are many women who want to embrace the advantages of the very supposed weaknesses that women are claimed to have been imposed by through patriarchy.
I still have yet to meet a girl who embraces any weaknesses of some major stereotypical man. The patriarchy that is presumed as some derogatory assault against women is actually coming from as many women as they are from the men…if not moreso!!
The term, feminist, is itself descriptive of some favor towards women over men. I think the term, humanist, if it is truly meant to assure fairness for all humans, is sufficient and unbiased.
Another factor to take in consideration is that associating feminism with atheism, skepticism, or any other similar cause discriminates other women and alienates them from active participation and getting the sincere help that these groups can actually serve. I stand for equality of the sexes and gender choices. But I recognize that feminism does not represent all women appropriately, regardless of those who call themselves assure.
As a man, I too am discriminated. ...and equally severely at most times. And feminists would suggest that I may too start a group of masculines to address these issues. Well, I say, thank you for the permission, but I stand for all people and believe the issue is to be resolved collectively and inclusively.
For those men who also sincerely believe that women are the oppressed, it says more about you than the rest of us who disagree. I say, try looking in the mirror and ask yourself why things are going so well for you as opposed to other men.