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Posted: 01 July 2013 04:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon - 01 July 2013 03:07 PM

The question I have is: why didn’t the RAAF people simply gather up the Mogul debris, tell the locals “sorry, this is a classified balloon”, end of story.

Like I said, this is the government we’re talking about here. When that’s what’s on the table, it doesn’t have to make sense and after 20 years of service in the Navy, I don’t expect it.

Maybe you are right.  Also the Roswell press release was only two weeks after Kenneth Arnold, so that isn’t much time to devise the diabolical psychological operation I imagine.

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Posted: 01 July 2013 07:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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I can remember getting ready for work on 9/11 and hearing the NPR newscaster say that a “light, twin engine plane” had crashed into the World Trade Center building.  Point being, that accounts from the initial period of an incident aren’t necessarily accurate, and there’s no need for deception to explain the mistakes made, only the confusion caused by the unexpected.

There is another possibility, which just occurred to me, and that I’ve never heard offered as to why the Army put forth the story that they’d found a crashed UFO at Roswell:  They wanted to make the Soviets think that we’d captured alien technology and would soon be vastly more advanced than the Soviets.

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Posted: 02 July 2013 05:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Coldheart Tucker - 01 July 2013 07:48 PM

I can remember getting ready for work on 9/11 and hearing the NPR newscaster say that a “light, twin engine plane” had crashed into the World Trade Center building.  Point being, that accounts from the initial period of an incident aren’t necessarily accurate, and there’s no need for deception to explain the mistakes made, only the confusion caused by the unexpected.

There is another possibility, which just occurred to me, and that I’ve never heard offered as to why the Army put forth the story that they’d found a crashed UFO at Roswell:  They wanted to make the Soviets think that we’d captured alien technology and would soon be vastly more advanced than the Soviets.

I’ve also wondered if this was designed for Soviet consumption.  I’m sure the Soviets were aware of UFOs before Kenneth Arnold, because the US had been aware of them for several years.  The Soviets probably tried to read most US newspapers and they probably had spies in the Roswell area.  They must have paid attention to this press release, and it would be interesting to know their take.

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Posted: 02 July 2013 05:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Maybe you are right.

Yes, and it could also be the local command just being idiots. Trust me, I’ve seen that as well. Where government agencies are involved, my expectations are pretty low and they tend to live right down to them. wink

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Posted: 02 July 2013 07:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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I forgot how Americans were capable of creating business out of thin air when I was there in the ‘90s. As soon as you cross the border from Saskatchewan into the States, the first thing you notice is the billboards everywhere. We have laws here that do not allow billboards for aesthetic reasons. Anyways, in regards to Roswell, I think whatever the truth was is irrelevant. The advantages gained by the communities there employed a lot of people and I believe that this had an impact on how and why even the government may appear obscure about the details.

In South Dakota, they have a town called, “Water” (very original?), where people going west would, guess it…get water for their canteens and horses. They have a drugstore there (the whole town), that I was hoping to find original pharmaceuticals sold the way they were back then. No such luck!

By the way, don’t tell anyone…we stopped at Mount Rushmore only to be disappointed that it was too foggy to view. I met this beautiful girl there named Vivian, playing some type of flute perched on a rock at the closest viewing point. I suggested that we risk the $500 fine for trespassing beyond that point and climb it. So we did. It was still too foggy even when we got right under their chins. We did see a mountain goat, however, which was just above one of my friend’s head on a rock. I said, “Hey, Ken, there’s a goat right there!” He turned around but couldn’t see it. The goat was just as confused. It looked at us then tried to peer over the rock to see who we were talking to, got scared, and ran off.

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Posted: 03 July 2013 08:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon - 02 July 2013 05:49 AM

Maybe you are right.

Yes, and it could also be the local command just being idiots. Trust me, I’ve seen that as well. Where government agencies are involved, my expectations are pretty low and they tend to live right down to them. wink

I suppose it’s possible that the local RAAF people saw the debris from the Mogul balloon array and assumed that this is what Kenneth Arnold had seen (i.e. a balloon array).  So maybe they created that initial press release because they were “proud” of themselves for solving the flying disc mystery.  Then people who were aware of Mogul realized that RAAF was drawing publicity to a classified project and quickly made them change their story.

BTW: Sometimes I’ve wondered if Kenneth Arnold might have actually seen a Mogul array, but I don’t think they were flying them in his area.  They might look similar.

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Posted: 03 July 2013 09:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Scott Mayers - 02 July 2013 07:49 AM

I forgot how Americans were capable of creating business out of thin air when I was there in the ‘90s. As soon as you cross the border from Saskatchewan into the States, the first thing you notice is the billboards everywhere. We have laws here that do not allow billboards for aesthetic reasons. Anyways, in regards to Roswell, I think whatever the truth was is irrelevant. The advantages gained by the communities there employed a lot of people and I believe that this had an impact on how and why even the government may appear obscure about the details.

In South Dakota, they have a town called, “Water” (very original?), where people going west would, guess it…get water for their canteens and horses. They have a drugstore there (the whole town), that I was hoping to find original pharmaceuticals sold the way they were back then. No such luck!

By the way, don’t tell anyone…we stopped at Mount Rushmore only to be disappointed that it was too foggy to view. I met this beautiful girl there named Vivian, playing some type of flute perched on a rock at the closest viewing point. I suggested that we risk the $500 fine for trespassing beyond that point and climb it. So we did. It was still too foggy even when we got right under their chins. We did see a mountain goat, however, which was just above one of my friend’s head on a rock. I said, “Hey, Ken, there’s a goat right there!” He turned around but couldn’t see it. The goat was just as confused. It looked at us then tried to peer over the rock to see who we were talking to, got scared, and ran off.

I agree that the Roswell story has become important financially to people in that area, so no politician or government person is very eager to challenge the myths.  It would be like saying you don’t believe in Santa Claus - not smart politically.

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Posted: 17 October 2013 08:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Doesn’t anyone think it’s strange that after the Roswell NM UFO incident, technology advanced in leaps and bounds?

Is is possible that engineers have reversed engineered this UFO to gain us some of the technology we are using today?

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Posted: 17 October 2013 09:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Doesn’t anyone think it’s strange that after the Hindenburg incident, technology advanced in leaps and bounds?

Is is possible that engineers have reversed engineered this blimp to gain us some of the technology we are using today?

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Posted: 17 October 2013 11:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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Darron’s point is well taken and one we repeat often around here. Just because B occurred after A occurred is does not prove or even imply that A caused B. Its a silly srgument that people use all the time in an attempt to prove their point. “I had a peanut butter sandwhich on Monday and won the lottery on Tuesday therefor peanut butter sandwhcih consumption leads to lottery windfalls”. Its a foolish argument that can be used to “prove” almost anything you would like.

As further evidence of the flaw in your particular argument. If you truly believe A caused B you need more evidence than the sequence of events. Take a look at this graph.

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The increase use of new inventions changed very little after 1947 as demonstrated by the unchanging slope of the graph. The slope doesnt change in any significant way until 30 years later. And while the graph below shows a big uptick in the number of patents after 1947 it only appears that way because there was a large drop off in patents after the war. The overall slope of the graph does not really change at all after 1947 and remains pretty steady to the present day

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Posted: 17 October 2013 12:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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Quite probably the dip in the late 40s was because of the second world war taking people’s efforts away from innovation.  And if one included the population growth factor and smoothed the curve a bit it would be a nice slow growing indication of the increasing technology, nothing to do with silly alien fairytales.

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Posted: 17 October 2013 02:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Occam. - 17 October 2013 12:43 PM

Quite probably the dip in the late 40s was because of the second world war taking people’s efforts away from innovation.  And if one included the population growth factor and smoothed the curve a bit it would be a nice slow growing indication of the increasing technology, nothing to do with silly alien fairytales.

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Posted: 17 October 2013 06:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Jacko1 - 17 October 2013 08:04 AM

Doesn’t anyone think it’s strange that after the Roswell NM UFO incident, technology advanced in leaps and bounds?

Is is possible that engineers have reversed engineered this UFO to gain us some of the technology we are using today?

Imagine, if you will, a modern smartphone gets sucked through a wormhole and falls (undamaged) at the feet of Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin.  Neither of them is going to have the faintest clue as to what it is, and what it can do.  They will no doubt marvel how flat the glass is, the precise holes cut into it, the metal body, the plastic case, the buttons, and the way the screen lights up (sometimes) when you push some of them.  If the phone’s unlocked, they might be able to figure out how to launch an app, but even if its something like a calculator, it won’t make any sense to them, because they’ve never seen anything like it before.  They don’t even have the necessary concepts of what a computer is (which is a word that until after WW II meant someone who solved math problems, and not a machine) to begin to understand the basics of the device.  When the battery dies, even if they’ve figured out that it runs on electricity, they’ll have no means to recharge it.

Taking it apart only leads them to more unsolvable questions.  There’s no gears or any other familiar items inside.  Just some strange bits of metal and small boxes made out of a material they’ve never seen before.  They would be no closer to understanding, or even attempting to duplicate that smartphone, than they were before.

Now, imagine if that smartphone had been shattered to pieces when it landed at their feet.  They’d have even less to go on than they did before, it would be a curious, incomprehensible mass to them.  Bear in mind, that we’re talking about a jump in technology of less than 300 years between us and them, and that in the years since Jefferson and Franklin, not only has technology advanced at a faster rate in just the past 50 years, than it has in the entirety of human existence up until that point, but the rate of advancement is continuing to accelerate.  50 years from now, whatever they’re using for smartphones will be equally incomprehensible to us, as ours would be to Franklin and Jefferson.  The kind of technology needed for interstellar travel is probably even farther advanced than that.

If an alien craft crashed on Earth in the 40s, we’d have a very hard time figuring out anything at all about it, other than it was some kind of flying machine.  We wouldn’t have a clue as to how it worked, or what any of the bits inside of it did.  Assuming, of course, that alien physiology and thought processes were close enough to humans that we could even identify things like seats and control surfaces.

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Posted: 17 October 2013 07:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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Good point, C.T.  Your mention of control surfaces suddenly made me think of a surface without any markings, but with embedded thermal sensors.  The alien could contact it with part of it’s body and put out extremely locallized heat differences which the sensors could read.  Thus we have a control panel that would be completely meaningless to humans. 

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Posted: 17 October 2013 07:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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Occam. - 17 October 2013 07:08 PM

Good point, C.T.  Your mention of control surfaces suddenly made me think of a surface without any markings, but with embedded thermal sensors.  The alien could contact it with part of it’s body and put out extremely locallized heat differences which the sensors could read.  Thus we have a control panel that would be completely meaningless to humans. 

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And that’s assuming that they bother with touching things to input commands and haven’t gone to voice control or brain/machine interface.

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