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Posted: 19 July 2013 06:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 61 ]
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sine dues - 19 July 2013 12:11 PM

Lois, do you realize that during the period of time between Trayvon being shot and George being acquitted that over 11,000 black men have been shot by black men…..where is the racism ?

But then race pimps like Rev. Jesse Jackson and Rev. Al Sharpton and their sycophants in the media couldn’t demagogue a tragedy and lie about the facts of the case in order to stir up racial animosity.  They (race pimps and the media) have a narrative they want to push.  The truth doesn’t matter.  All that matters is that narrative.  And in this case, that narrative is white racism.  Thus Black on Black crime doesn’t fit that narrative.  And the fact that Zimmerman is Hispanic doesn’t fit that narrative either. 

That is why media outlets such as the AP and CBS falsely claimed Zimmerman was “White.”  They pushed too far with such a lie and that is why the New York Times and Reuters then made up the term “White Hispanic.”  CNN falsely claimed Zimmerman used a racial slur.  NBC edited his 911 call to make it sound as if Zimmerman were racially profiling Martin.  NPR and TalkLeft showed a photo that was blurred and in black & white that hid the severity of the damage done to Zimmerman’s face clearly visible in the original color photo.  ABC came right out and falsely claimed video taken that night showed no blood or bruises on George Zimmerman. 

Lies, lies and more lies.  They feel no shame in such lies because truth and journalistic integrity mean nothing to them.  The “white racism” narrative is all that matters.  They make it sound as if the number one danger to young Black men is roaming bands of racist white (or “White Hispanic) neighborhood watch volunteers.  If they had any decency they’d address some of the biggest dangers facing young Black men.  But that would encroach on sacred cows of the left.  And they’d rather have young Black men shooting each other than touch on those issues.

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Posted: 19 July 2013 07:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 62 ]
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sine dues - 19 July 2013 12:11 PM

Lois, do you realize that during the period of time between Trayvon being shot and George being acquitted that over 11,000 black men have been shot by black men…..where is the racism ?

But then race pimps like Rev. Jesse Jackson and Rev. Al Sharpton and their sycophants in the media couldn’t demagogue a tragedy and lie about the facts of the case in order to stir up racial animosity.  They (race pimps and the media) have a narrative they want to push.  The truth doesn’t matter.  All that matters is that narrative.  And in this case, that narrative is white racism.  Thus Black on Black crime doesn’t fit that narrative.  And the fact that Zimmerman is Hispanic doesn’t fit that narrative either. 

That is why media outlets such as the AP and CBS falsely claimed Zimmerman was “White.”  They pushed too far with such a lie and that is why the New York Times and Reuters then made up the term “White Hispanic.”  CNN falsely claimed Zimmerman used a racial slur.  NBC edited his 911 call to make it sound as if Zimmerman were racially profiling Martin.  NPR and TalkLeft showed a photo that was blurred and in black & white that hid the severity of the damage done to Zimmerman’s face clearly visible in the original color photo.  ABC came right out and falsely claimed video taken that night showed no blood or bruises on George Zimmerman. 

Lies, lies and more lies.  They feel no shame in such lies because truth and journalistic integrity mean nothing to them.  The “white racism” narrative is all that matters.  They make it sound as if the number one danger to young Black men is roaming bands of racist white (or “White Hispanic) neighborhood watch volunteers.  If they had any decency they’d address some of the biggest dangers facing young Black men.  But that would encroach on sacred cows of the left.  And they’d rather have young Black men shooting each other than touch on those issues.

Very well said. As an African-American, I’ve had to watch, first-hand, as many of my family and friends have grown more and more angry about this case, and it started long before we even knew all of the facts! I watched as media professionals cherry-picked details and told half truths to support that narrative. I tried, repeatedly, to persuade people to calm down and wait until all of the details came out instead of basing one’s judgment on random soundbites. But lone skeptics are no match for mass media, and it’s shameful ability to control the narrative on a nearly global scale. It’s absolutely disgusting, as it plays on the racial biases, fears, and over-inflated “victim” mentality that is highly pervasive in our culture. What people don’t realize is that this actually serves to indirectly perpetuate some of the problems that my people suffer from, as it removes all personal responsibility from the African American community, and turns every negative experience into just another losing battle against the all-powerful “Man” who is determined to “keep me down”.

My wife, a white woman, works with many African Americans, and has had to keep her mouth shut whenever one of her friends brings the case up, as she knows very well that any dissenting perspective that doesn’t support the narrative that there is some secret racist conspiracy in the legal system would automatically brand her as an enemy and “closet racist” (despite the fact that her husband is black and she has two bi-racial children).

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Posted: 19 July 2013 07:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 63 ]
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Cloak - 17 July 2013 09:36 PM

What about the fact that Martin had a backpack full of women’s jewelry and a screwdriver?

I wanted to clear this point up.  Martin was, at one point (at school, I believe) found with these items with the police describing the screwdriver as a ” burglary tool.”  But he did NOT have them on the night he was shot.  He did, however, have some (not all) of the ingredients for a street drug known as “Lean” or “Purple Drank” which causes paranoia and fits of violence.  He also had Twitter postings discussing the making of this drug.  Combine this with what Rachel Jeantel said she said to Martin about Zimmerman possibly being a gay rapist and you get some interesting possibilities.

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Posted: 19 July 2013 07:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 64 ]
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Cloak - 17 July 2013 09:36 PM

What about the fact that Martin had a backpack full of women’s jewelry and a screwdriver?

I wanted to clear this point up.  Martin was, at one point (at school, I believe) found with these items with the police describing the screwdriver as a ” burglary tool.”  But he did NOT have them on the night he was shot.  He did, however, have some (not all) of the ingredients for a street drug known as “Lean” or “Purple Drank” which causes paranoia and fits of violence.  He also had Twitter postings discussing the making of this drug.  Combine this with what Rachel Jeantel said she said to Martin about Zimmerman possibly being a gay rapist and you get some interesting possibilities.

Oh yeah, I should have worded that differently. I’m aware that it was found by one of the school security officers at his school, leading to his suspension, not on the day of the shooting. Sorry for not clarifying that. Thanks, though.

And yeah, “sipping syrup”, or drinking “lean” or “purple drank” is quite common down here in the South. Probably because it’s extremely easy to make. The base ingredient is cough syrup, if I’m not mistaken.

Do we know if Trayvon was tested for that in his system?

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Posted: 19 July 2013 07:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 65 ]
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Cloak - 19 July 2013 07:26 PM

It’s absolutely disgusting, as it plays on the racial biases, fears, and over-inflated “victim” mentality that is highly pervasive in our culture. What people don’t realize is that this actually serves to indirectly perpetuate some of the problems that my people suffer from, as it removes all personal responsibility from the African American community, and turns every negative experience into just another losing battle against the all-powerful “Man” who is determined to “keep me down”.

BRAVO!  It’s also racist and condescending in that it assumes Blacks are poor, poor pitiful simpletons who are helpless and incapable of handling life’s difficulties and must be spoon fed and helped along at every step of the way by those in charge.

And the break-up of the Black family unit is, in my opinion, one of the biggest and most dangerous problems facing young Black men and women.  Yes, I know Trayvon’s Father played a roll in his upbringing, but I’m talking overall.  And the enabling of this (usually) Single-Mother household with no Father in the lives’ of their children by (usually) Democrat politicians and their unintended-consequence-causing government programs is doing more harm to Blacks than anything the idiot a$$holes in the KKK could ever hope to do.

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Posted: 19 July 2013 08:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 66 ]
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Cloak - 19 July 2013 07:52 PM

Do we know if Trayvon was tested for that in his system?

I don’t know.  I do know it is not like the movies of TV where they easily find whatever substance helps the plot that they didn’t even think to look for!  grin  From my very limited understanding, I think coroners have to purposely look for whatever substance they pre-determine to test for.  If a substance isn’t searched for specifically, I don’t think it shows up on some test.  Thus, if they are looking for substance “A” but only substance “B” is in the body, they don’t find “A” or “B.”  THC was in his system.  Other than that, I don’t know.

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Posted: 19 July 2013 08:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 67 ]
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The economy will be experiencing inflationary recession over the next several years and may even slip into a recession. If that happens we might just be seeing the tip of the iceberg on crime. The cities will not be able to afford these high level court cases. Somehow I get the feeling that a lot of what the press is doing right now is politically driven to get the heat off the IRS, DOJ, FBI, CIA and NSA.

What happened in the Zimmerman shooting should not have happened if we would spend the money for a good education system and could educate our people. Oh, wait we do.

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Posted: 20 July 2013 05:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 68 ]
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Occam, come on…..are you blind ?
Why don’t you ask the question….How many African Americans have been shot by Swedish Americans or French Americans or British Americans or Canadian Americans or Lithuanian Americans or Irish Americans or German Americans or…...... ?
I did not present an argument….I stated a fact and asked a question….you are the one who has an agenda.
If my question has bothered you…you should look into that.
Why didn’t Obama take this opportunity to mention the terrible waste of human life that is caused by all the black on black violence ? Instead he makes it clear that he will push the black/white issue to divide people…..bad….and sad.

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Posted: 21 July 2013 01:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 69 ]
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sine dues-Why didn’t Obama take this opportunity to mention the terrible waste of human life that is caused by all the black on black violence ? Instead he makes it clear that he will push the black/white issue to divide people…..bad….and sad.

Here’s why he didn’t…because he was talking about race and the legacy of racism in this country.
If someone is discussing the leaky exhaust on a car, it doesn’t necessarily mean they will also discuss the chips in the paint job.
So it doesn’t mean I’m going to ask them about why they didn’t bring up their paint job while they were talking about their exhaust leak.
2 separate issues.
Were the analogies simple enough for you? It’s basic cognizance and listening/reading skills.
2 separate issues.  Or maybe what you are saying is that anything that has to do with black people is under one big issue umbrella?
Is that what drives your complaint?

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Posted: 21 July 2013 06:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 70 ]
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Cloak - 17 July 2013 09:36 PM

What about the fact that Martin had a backpack full of women’s jewelry and a screwdriver?

I wanted to clear this point up.  Martin was, at one point (at school, I believe) found with these items with the police describing the screwdriver as a ” burglary tool.”  But he did NOT have them on the night he was shot.  He did, however, have some (not all) of the ingredients for a street drug known as “Lean” or “Purple Drank” which causes paranoia and fits of violence.  He also had Twitter postings discussing the making of this drug.  Combine this with what Rachel Jeantel said she said to Martin about Zimmerman possibly being a gay rapist and you get some interesting possibilities.

How could Zimmerman know any of that, even assuming it’s true?

All Zimmerman could possibly know hat night was that there was a black male walking through “his” neighborhood and he was going to stop it.  So he armed himself—just in case he might have had to “stand his ground,” while he “protected” his neighborhood from a black invasion. He knew absolutely nothing else about Trayvon Martin but that he was a black male. That was all it took.

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sine dues - 20 July 2013 05:50 AM

Occam, come on…..are you blind ?
Why don’t you ask the question….How many African Americans have been shot by Swedish Americans or French Americans or British Americans or Canadian Americans or Lithuanian Americans or Irish Americans or German Americans or…...... ?
I did not present an argument….I stated a fact and asked a question….you are the one who has an agenda.
If my question has bothered you…you should look into that.
Why didn’t Obama take this opportunity to mention the terrible waste of human life that is caused by all the black on black violence ? Instead he makes it clear that he will push the black/white issue to divide people…..bad….and sad.

For the simple reason that the Trayvon Martin casewas NOT about black on black violence. 

If one of your loved ones was killed by a person of a different race, would you be calling for something to be done about black on black crime?

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Lois - 21 July 2013 06:59 PM
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Cloak - 17 July 2013 09:36 PM

What about the fact that Martin had a backpack full of women’s jewelry and a screwdriver?

I wanted to clear this point up.  Martin was, at one point (at school, I believe) found with these items with the police describing the screwdriver as a ” burglary tool.”  But he did NOT have them on the night he was shot.  He did, however, have some (not all) of the ingredients for a street drug known as “Lean” or “Purple Drank” which causes paranoia and fits of violence.  He also had Twitter postings discussing the making of this drug.  Combine this with what Rachel Jeantel said she said to Martin about Zimmerman possibly being a gay rapist and you get some interesting possibilities.

How could Zimmerman know any of that, even assuming it’s true?

All Zimmerman could possibly know hat night was that there was a black male walking through “his” neighborhood and he was going to stop it.  So he armed himself—just in case he might have had to “stand his ground,” while he “protected” his neighborhood from a black invasion. He knew absolutely nothing else about Trayvon Martin but that he was a black male. That was all it took.

Lois

You’re just so determined to make this a racism thing, despite all of the evidence to the contrary, aren’t you?

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Posted: 21 July 2013 08:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 73 ]
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Lois - 21 July 2013 07:03 PM
sine dues - 20 July 2013 05:50 AM

Occam, come on…..are you blind ?
Why don’t you ask the question….How many African Americans have been shot by Swedish Americans or French Americans or British Americans or Canadian Americans or Lithuanian Americans or Irish Americans or German Americans or…...... ?
I did not present an argument….I stated a fact and asked a question….you are the one who has an agenda.
If my question has bothered you…you should look into that.
Why didn’t Obama take this opportunity to mention the terrible waste of human life that is caused by all the black on black violence ? Instead he makes it clear that he will push the black/white issue to divide people…..bad….and sad.

For the simple reason that the Trayvon Martin case was NOT about black on black violence. 

If one of your loved ones was killed by a person of a different race, would you be calling for something to be done about black on black crime?

The point is that most black murders are committed by blacks, not half-white, half-Peruvian neighborhood watchmen. Why is there not some massive media led conspiracy being pushed on this idea?

And what about the fact that more blacks get off for stand your ground cases in Florida than whites? Maybe there’s a black conspiracy against whites?

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Occam. - 14 July 2013 04:45 PM

I’m appalled and nauseated by the verdict in that Florida case.  Much of our country’s population is still a very long way from understanding that they should respect all humans equally and work hard to prevent vicious prejudiced attacks such as this against anyone.

Even the prosecutors have that stupid Florida mentality.  How the hell could they have allowed the jury chosen to be composed of six caucasian women?  A jury of only six is already dumb, but how about having some of Travon’s peers on it, too?

All I can hope is that there are enough people in his area who realize this injustice and react to him strongly negatively so that he will have a significantly degraded life for many years. 

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Now that the racial component of the jury has been revealed…would you like to revise your comment?

Unless you believe Zimmerman was a “white Hispanic” of course.

As far as having some of “Travon’s peers on the jury” then I am afraid that any one in this thread who has posited that prospective jurors should be subject to an “IQ test”...would have to abandon that premise as well.

As far as “a significantly degraded life” in the future I think that any sane human being who has taken the life of another (whether justified or not) will find dealing with the aftermath for the remainder of their life difficult.

Just sayin’?

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