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Muslims promote Sharia law. Why do Christians not promote their law?
Posted: 01 August 2013 10:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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DarronS - 01 August 2013 06:29 PM
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It was hearing the Sermon on the Mount in church when I was a teenager that convinced me Christianity was crap.  The parents of my girlfriend at the time were going through a bitter divorce and in the sermon Christ condemns divorce.  I heard that, and knowing that there was no way her parents could resolve their differences (her dad was a bitter psycho), along with Christ saying that anyone who looked at another person with lustful thoughts would be condemned to hell, realized that anyone who would say such a thing had absolutely zero understanding of human nature.  (The fact that the church had no problem with divorce also told me that the folks in charge didn’t buy it, either, also contributed to my realization.)

Out of curiosity I looked up the Sermon on the Mount because I haven’t read the entire speech in decades. I love this part:

the universe itself shall pass away, before the smallest detail of God’s law revealed in Scripture comes to be out of date

Well, Del Rio must have frozen over, because most Christians consider slavery immoral despite the Bible’s laws on how to treat slaves.

A lot of them didn’t when when slavery was about to be ended.  They used the bible to support continuing slavery.  They were very adamant and self-righteous about it.

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Posted: 02 August 2013 05:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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Quite true, Lois. I believe most KKK members were good Christians.

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Posted: 02 August 2013 08:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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DarronS - 02 August 2013 05:38 AM

Quite true, Lois. I believe most KKK members were good Christians.

Its a requirement to be a member of the Klan that you’re a Christian in addition to being WASP. And while their numbers aren’t what they once were, they are, sadly, still around.

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Posted: 02 August 2013 01:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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Muslims promote Sharia law. Why do Christians not promote their law?

Some Muslim communities run with Sharia law. Other nations with a high Muslim population promote Sharia. It would seem from this phenomenon that Muslim law can be used to run a society as it does so in a few countries.

I know of no country that uses Christian or biblical law and have not heard of any Christian effort to have their law accepted in their nation.

This indicates that either Muslims are more religious than Christians, or Christians know that their laws would never be accepted as the law of the land.

Meanwhile, the vast majority of nations have rejected both sets of religious laws for a more secular approach to law and governance.

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Which of these three sets of laws do you think are superior and why?

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Christians have pushed governments to pass laws that support Christian values for millennia, and continue to do so to this day.  They are simply not as blatant as Muslims, mostly because Christian influence is mainly in democracies.  Christians know they can’t demand that Christian law be the law of the land because a democratic population would not support it. So they try to influence voting blocs and individual legislative representatives.  They have been successful in countries with established religions. People call for Islamic law in dictatorships where the will of the people carries no weight.
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You are correct in that democratic nations will only suffer so much religious nonsense.

One small glitch that I will not argue here is that all the democracies you see, I call oligarchies. There are no democracies. There likely never was such a thing.

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You may be right, but there is some influence by the people and that does serve to keep religion from having undue influence on the government. Not perfect, but better than nothing.

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Posted: 02 August 2013 02:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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DarronS - 02 August 2013 05:38 AM

Quite true, Lois. I believe most KKK members were good Christians.

In reality the KKK was started by the Democrat Party after the Civil War and targeted Republicans, both black and white.  Over three thousand blacks were lynched, while over one thousand white Republicans were lynched by this creation of the Democrat Party for political reasons.  They are credited with opposing and eventually ending the efforts of the Radical Republicans that were calling for equal rights for black, including the right to vote.  Because of their efforts, equal rights for blacks had to wait for decades.  And please don’t tell me today’s Democrats are yesterday’s Republicans.  That always makes me laugh.

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Posted: 02 August 2013 03:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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Lois - 01 August 2013 06:13 PM

If it’s true that Christians have no law, why are they at the forefront of the political process every time a law is proposed that goes against one of the tenets of their religion? Why do we have restrictive abortion laws? Why are Christians getting involved in whether Intelligent Design or creationism can be taught in public schools?  Why is there an outcry from Christians who don’t want sex education in the schools? Why is there political pressure from Christians when condoms were to be handed out in schools?  Why was there political pressure from Christian groups when states wanted to require HPV injections for girls? There are many political issues where Christians and Christian groups try to force their religious views on everyone. Sometimes they succeed, often to the detriment of society as a whole. If, as you say here, Christians have no need for a law, why do they get involved as a voting bloc to either support or go against certain laws? Christians push their political agendas constantly.

Christians are citizens of this country and have the right according to the secular law of the US to take part in the political process and influence the laws we all live by.  They have the right to vote in people who represent them at all levels of government—just like everyone else.  Atheists aren’t the only ones with rights in this country, and they aren’t the only ones who have the right to push their agendas and influence laws.  They do seem to be most vocal in trying to take away the rights of those they disagree with, as if no one else has a right to vote and have an opinion.  Why are atheists so dictatorial?  Why can’t they allow others to have an opinion and exercise their right to vote?  This is not based on Christian law of any kind.  This is because of the secular law we live by in the US put into place by a majority Christian society.

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Posted: 02 August 2013 07:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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DarronS - 02 August 2013 05:38 AM

Quite true, Lois. I believe most KKK members were good Christians.

Yes, they were. Very good Christians, indeed.

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Posted: 02 August 2013 07:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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LilySmith - 02 August 2013 02:48 PM
DarronS - 02 August 2013 05:38 AM

Quite true, Lois. I believe most KKK members were good Christians.

In reality the KKK was started by the Democrat Party after the Civil War and targeted Republicans, both black and white.  Over three thousand blacks were lynched, while over one thousand white Republicans were lynched by this creation of the Democrat Party for political reasons.  They are credited with opposing and eventually ending the efforts of the Radical Republicans that were calling for equal rights for black, including the right to vote.  Because of their efforts, equal rights for blacks had to wait for decades.  And please don’t tell me today’s Democrats are yesterday’s Republicans.  That always makes me laugh.

It had nothing to do with giving blacks the vote.  Voying rights were not even considered when slavery was ended.  The reason Southerners joined the Democratic Party was only because they coukdn’t bear the thought of being Republicans after Lincoln ended slavery. Even Republicans ofteday did not callfor equal rights for Blacks. What makes me laugh is your understanding of history.

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Posted: 03 August 2013 12:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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Write4U - 01 August 2013 12:28 PM
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Write4U - 01 August 2013 12:02 PM

All religions which espouse a “Kingdom of Heaven” are incompatible with democracy to begin with.

“I believe in Democracy but my god is my King”?  Odd.

If no theology has a democratic heaven then you are right.

Are all the religions with a human type God tyrannies?

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You cannot have democracy in a kingdom, it’s a kingdom, with a supreme divine ruler who can send you to hell if you’ve not been good, in His (as translated by priests) eyes.

No, I am speaking of the Abrahamic religions/

Those are tyrannies. A good thing they do not rule.

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Posted: 03 August 2013 12:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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Write4U - 01 August 2013 04:17 PM

Closing abortion clinics (by law) is a religious position which is being implemented in several states.  Fortunately it is already protected by Federal Law and every one of those state laws will be struck down by the SCOTUS.

Look at Utah and its religiously restrictive laws. Religion is pervasive in our society and many state laws are not secular in nature.
Even insurance companies have a (legal) clause that “acts of God” are exempt from insurance liability.
“In God we trust” is on our currency. We open Congress with a prayer. And today especially one cannot get elected to public office if you are a known atheist. Just look at the hate speech against Obama calling him a Muslim, or Communist (atheist). In fact religion is used in politics everywhere, either to endorse or condemn.

Religious laws and practices not being promoted and enforced (in certain states) is a false statement. How many constitutional amendments with religious implications have been introduced?  The term ” under God” did not appear in the Pledge of Allegiance but was added later at the insistence of religious people. By definition that would make an atheist unable to become a citizen if he/she refused to recite it verbatim.

They try to tweak sure but have yet to try for the good laws. Like stoning fornicators and unruly children.

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Posted: 03 August 2013 12:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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LilySmith - 01 August 2013 04:30 PM
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I see your view of Christians but if they do become Christ-like, they would denounce their own religion as it is based on human sacrifice and the notion that it is somehow just to punish the innocent instead of the guilty.

If Jesus returned, Christian is the last label he would take.

You are right that in Christianity the penalty for sin is death and Jesus, being a righteous man, took that penalty for the sins of the guilty.  In Christianity that’s called love.  “Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.”

The best part came when death couldn’t hold him because of his righteousness and he defeated death’s hold for all mankind.  But hey, if you’d rather face justice for your sins than to accept his gift of forgiveness, that’s your choice and no one has the right to stand in your way.

Indeed. As scriptures say, we are all responsible for our own sins.
Strange that you did not cheery pick those scriptures but do with the immoral ones.

I like that quote but you do not seem to recognize that the enemy that Jesus sacrificed his life to was his own father who demanded it as a ransom. That is insane. Right?

 
It was God’s plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus “was crucified from the foundations of the Earth,” that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.
 
1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

This indicates that Jesus had no choice.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this “solution” for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said “don’t eat from that tree,” the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

Only an insane God. That’s who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

One of Christianity’s highest form of immorality is what they have done to women.
They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqN8EYIIR3g&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dspWh9g3hU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c0RFxXrYzg&feature=related


In reality, if God did demand such a barbaric sacrifice, he would be sinning.
He would know that barbaric human sacrifice is immoral.

You do too. Right?

Those with good morals will know that no noble and gracious God would demand the sacrifice of a so called son just to prove it’s benevolence.

When you die, Satan will ask you; How was your ticket to heaven purchased? With innocent blood?

When you say yes, you become his.

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Posted: 03 August 2013 12:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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LilySmith - 01 August 2013 07:12 PM
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Lily, with respect, I would urge you to read the “Skeptics Annotated Bible” to get an idea of “confounded language” in all 3 Abrahamic religions.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/

Okay, I went to the web site.  You didn’t specify anything, so I started in Romans 1.  They mostly asked questions which I had no problem answering.  Then I came to this:

(2:11) “There is no respect of persons with God.”
Does God respect anyone?

Perhaps another translation will clarify:  Rom 2:11 “For God does not show favoritism.”

I suggest that the individual who is trying to critique the bible on this web site try an easier translation than that written in King James English.  He also seems to have a difficult time trying to figure out if salvation is by faith or works.  Seriously, this is basic stuff that he doesn’t understand.  What makes you think he has any ability to understand those things which are more complex?

Is there anything specific you would like an answer to?  Do you see anything that looks like Christianity set up a legal system with earthly judges and punishments? 

Perhaps it isn’t the bible that is confounded.  Perhaps the reader on this site lacks understanding.

How can God not show favoritism when there is both a heaven and a hell?

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Posted: 03 August 2013 02:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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IMHO, whatever Causal Agent exists MUST be absolutely neutral and implacable. That is the only possible way to explain both life and death.

In the course of time, things are born, things die.

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Posted: 03 August 2013 04:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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Write4U - 03 August 2013 02:31 PM

IMHO, whatever Causal Agent exists MUST be absolutely neutral and implacable. That is the only possible way to explain both life and death.

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Sure. Nature is like that.

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Posted: 12 August 2013 04:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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Judge orders parents to change baby’s name

A judge in the US has ordered a baby’s first name to be changed from Messiah to Martin, arguing that the only true messiah is Jesus Christ, reports say.

So much for Christians not promoting their law.

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