Pat Condell on Islam
Posted: 06 August 2013 12:31 PM   [ Ignore ]
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He’s absolutely right.  It should be a daily ad on television and in movie theaters.

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Posted: 06 August 2013 02:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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What did he say that couldn’t also be said about extreme Right wing Christians and Jews throughout history?  Extremist Right Wing Religion is the blight, not any one particular sect, and not the peaceful Left-leaning brands.

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Posted: 06 August 2013 04:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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CuthbertJ - 06 August 2013 02:55 PM

What did he say that couldn’t also be said about extreme Right wing Christians and Jews throughout history?  Extremist Right Wing Religion is the blight, not any one particular sect, and not the peaceful Left-leaning brands.

You’re right, but I would wager that there is a far higher percentage of violent Muslims and those who champion violence in Islam than in Christianity.  I’d be glad to see some real evidence that that isn’t true. 

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Posted: 08 August 2013 10:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Lois - 06 August 2013 04:54 PM
CuthbertJ - 06 August 2013 02:55 PM

What did he say that couldn’t also be said about extreme Right wing Christians and Jews throughout history?  Extremist Right Wing Religion is the blight, not any one particular sect, and not the peaceful Left-leaning brands.

You’re right, but I would wager that there is a far higher percentage of violent Muslims and those who champion violence in Islam than in Christianity.  I’d be glad to see some real evidence that that isn’t true. 

Lois

Current day, I’d definitely agree, since Christianity has been beaten back by science for quite a while now in the Western world. Plus early Christians didn’t have access to technology like the right wing Muslims do today, even though ideologically they’re where the middle ages xstians were.  BUT if we’re talking over the entire course of each religion’s history, I’d say Christianity’s “wins” hands down (and of course everybody else loses).

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Posted: 09 August 2013 06:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Yes, Christianity has the worst record for human right violations in history. There is not a lot of history about how the Christian treated women, except burning them at the stake. But Christianity is a male dominated religion. And the Jewish religion which shares the OT still to this day will not let women pray with men at the Great Wall and in many parts of Israel women have to ride at the back of the bus.

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Posted: 09 August 2013 10:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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MikeYohe - 09 August 2013 06:17 PM

Yes, Christianity has the worst record for human right violations in history. There is not a lot of history about how the Christian treated women, except burning them at the stake. But Christianity is a male dominated religion. And the Jewish religion which shares the OT still to this day will not let women pray with men at the Great Wall and in many parts of Israel women have to ride at the back of the bus.

As bad as it is for woman in Orthodox Jewish families, do you think it’s worse than for women in Islamic families?

They are actually similar in their approach to women and religion, they are both stuck in the 15th century, though it doesn’t seem to me that Jewish orthodoxy is as bad as Islamic Orthodoxy.  The Jews aren’t suicide bombers and Fathers are not killing their daughters (or brothers their sisters), at least I haven’t heard this.  Jews also don’t generally prevent girls and women from going to school.

I do think Orthodox Jews are better than extreme Islamists.

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Posted: 10 August 2013 01:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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As bad as it is for woman in Orthodox Jewish families, do you think it’s worse than for women in Islamic families?

Until this year the Jewish nation was in America. Now Israel finally has as many Jews as America. But the Jewish money and much of their leadership is still in America. The main reason we have to go thru all these problems with Islam is America is more open to Islam and becomes an easier target. So our government has decided that the average America must pay and give up freedoms so the Jews in Israel can steal land and fight with their neighbors.

Point being, most Americans think of Jews as being Israelis.

No, do not think the Orthodox Jews treat their women any better than the Muslims. Marriages of Orthodox Jews are prearranged. The Orthodox Jewish women in places like New York City are just now excising their rights and divorce rates are climbing even though in traditional Jewish customs the man has the rights to withhold a divorce from his wife.

They are actually similar in their approach to women and religion; they are both stuck in the 15th century, though it doesn’t seem to me that Jewish orthodoxy is as bad as Islamic Orthodoxy.

I do not think they are stuck in the 15th century. I think they strive to be more traditional and claim that their methods are of the old way so they are more Orthodox than their neighbors in the next town. They feed on tradition that is more made up than really the methods of the past. Reading some stories in old National Geographic magazines, they were never like what they claim orthodox is today. They are getting more Orthodox each year.

The Jews aren’t suicide bombers and Fathers are not killing their daughters (or brothers their sisters), at least I haven’t heard this.

Again most of the Jews in Israel are from Russia and Europe and brought with them traditions from their mother country. There are very few of what we could classify the old Abraham Judah Jews in Israel.

Suicide bombers are not a religious act any more than the Jews sending fighter jets to drop bombs in a city. It is a method of war. A method use people who have been pushed over the edge. The bombing have been coffee shops and meeting places. If it was religious all the bombings would be at synagogues.

As far as fathers killing their daughters and not getting stoned by the neighbors, it is a cult flaw in the Muslim religion that is hard to understand. We have flaws in our system in America brought on by the Christian movements that are much worst, but we refuse to recognize them. For example the War on Drugs brought on by the Christian movement has cause more deaths and ruined more families than all the honor killings. Yet most Christian Americans not only back the movement but see nothing wrong in it, proving Christianity is also a cult movement. 

Jews also don’t generally prevent girls and women from going to school.

Half the Jews in Israel want the country to be like America. Problem is the Zionist political movement controls the county. Most of the Orthodox Jewish cults are Zionist.

Looking at pictures of schools in Israel in the 1930’s and 1940’s they looked and dressed like any school in America at the time. Today the Orthodox do let girls go to school because the State of Israel requires it. But the girls are kept separated from the boys. And the Orthodox Jews control their schools. If they did not let the girls go to school the government would take over the schools. The Orthodox Jews receive a payment from the state for the schools. 

I do think Orthodox Jews are better than extreme Islamists.
Me too. But I do not want either one living in my town or state any more than I would a terrorist.  Saying this I do know there are a couple groups of Orthodox Jews in New York that do follow the torah and would be good neighbors. But they have no power compared to the Zionist.

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Posted: 10 August 2013 06:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Pat Condell should be archived in some museum under “The New Atheist Movemenet of the First Decade of the 21st Century.” It was fun while it lasted, but now it’s time to move on.

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Posted: 10 August 2013 11:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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MikeYohe - 10 August 2013 01:29 AM

As bad as it is for woman in Orthodox Jewish families, do you think it’s worse than for women in Islamic families?

Until this year the Jewish nation was in America. Now Israel finally has as many Jews as America. But the Jewish money and much of their leadership is still in America. The main reason we have to go thru all these problems with Islam is America is more open to Islam and becomes an easier target. So our government has decided that the average America must pay and give up freedoms so the Jews in Israel can steal land and fight with their neighbors.

Point being, most Americans think of Jews as being Israelis.

—-That isn’t true.  Most Americans know full well there are more Jews in New York City than in all of Israel.

No, do not think the Orthodox Jews treat their women any better than the Muslims. Marriages of Orthodox Jews are prearranged. The Orthodox Jewish women in places like New York City are just now excising their rights and divorce rates are climbing even though in traditional Jewish customs the man has the rights to withhold a divorce from his wife.


—-Are they killing them? Can a woman choose to notbfollow Jewish law?


They are actually similar in their approach to women and religion; they are both stuck in the 15th century, though it doesn’t seem to me that Jewish orthodoxy is as bad as Islamic Orthodoxy.

I do not think they are stuck in the 15th century. I think they strive to be more traditional and claim that their methods are of the old way so they are more Orthodox than their neighbors in the next town. They feed on tradition that is more made up than really the methods of the past. Reading some stories in old National Geographic magazines, they were never like what they claim orthodox is today. They are getting more Orthodox each year.

The Jews aren’t suicide bombers and Fathers are not killing their daughters (or brothers their sisters), at least I haven’t heard this.

Again most of the Jews in Israel are from Russia and Europe and brought with them traditions from their mother country. There are very few of what we could classify the old Abraham Judah Jews in Israel.

—-What difference does it make where they came from? Anyway, there is a large number of Sephardic Jews in Israel and in other parts of the world. They are not nearly as extreme as some Ashkenasy Jews.


Suicide bombers are not a religious act any more than the Jews sending fighter jets to drop bombs in a city. It is a method of war. A method use people who have been pushed over the edge. The bombing have been coffee shops and meeting places. If it was religious all the bombings would be at synagogues.

—How were the WTC bombers “pushed over the edge”?  They were Saudis living in a country that is just about 100% Islamic.  The government is Islamic. Laws are based on Islam.  No one is threatening to invade them. How are they being “pushed over the edge”? Are they being pushed over the edge because they haven’t been able to convert the world to Islam? Well, NO WONDER they, feel pushed over the edge! Wouldn’t anyone feel that way and start bombing people if they can’t convert the world to their religion?

As far as fathers killing their daughters and not getting stoned by the neighbors, it is a cult flaw in the Muslim religion that is hard to understand. We have flaws in our system in America brought on by the Christian movements that are much worst, but we refuse to recognize them.

—Are Christians or Jews killing their daughters?

For example the War on Drugs brought on by the Christian movement has cause more deaths and ruined more families than all the honor killings. Yet most Christian Americans not only back the movement but see nothing wrong in it, proving Christianity is also a cult movement. 

—You have a point but you are wildly exaggerating.  Not only Christians keep the drug war going.  The people making money in it do, and the politicians they can bribe.

Jews also don’t generally prevent girls and women from going to school.

Half the Jews in Israel want the country to be like America. Problem is the Zionist political movement controls the county. Most of the Orthodox Jewish cults are Zionist.

—You didn’t answer the question, you went off on a tangent. In fact most Orthodox Jews are not Zionist.

Looking at pictures of schools in Israel in the 1930’s and 1940’s they looked and dressed like any school in America at the time. Today the Orthodox do let girls go to school because the State of Israel requires it. But the girls are kept separated from the boys. And the Orthodox Jews control their schools. If they did not let the girls go to school the government would take over the schools. The Orthodox Jews receive a payment from the state for the schools.

 

—Whether they do or not, girls are being educated.

I do think Orthodox Jews are better than extreme Islamists.
Me too. But I do not want either one living in my town or state any more than I would a terrorist.  Saying this I do know there are a couple groups of Orthodox Jews in New York that do follow the torah and would be good neighbors. But they have no power compared to the Zionist.

—You’re not all prejudiced, are you?

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Posted: 11 August 2013 08:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Lois,

Aljazeera news has a news report just out.

India’s 60 million women that never were
60 million women - that’s nearly the entire population of the United Kingdom - are missing in India. Why?

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Posted: 11 August 2013 05:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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MikeYohe - 11 August 2013 08:51 AM

Lois,

Aljazeera news has a news report just out.

India’s 60 million women that never were
60 million women - that’s nearly the entire population of the United Kingdom - are missing in India. Why?

Yes, it’s not too hard to figure out.

Lois

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Posted: 16 August 2013 10:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Sorry I Have been gone for a while.

Just a quick opinion.  I have long thought the main battle is not between the religious and the non-religious, but between the fundamentalists, of any type and the rest of society that just wants to get on and enjoy life while they can.

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Posted: 16 August 2013 12:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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CuthbertJ - 08 August 2013 10:05 AM
Lois - 06 August 2013 04:54 PM
CuthbertJ - 06 August 2013 02:55 PM

What did he say that couldn’t also be said about extreme Right wing Christians and Jews throughout history?  Extremist Right Wing Religion is the blight, not any one particular sect, and not the peaceful Left-leaning brands.

You’re right, but I would wager that there is a far higher percentage of violent Muslims and those who champion violence in Islam than in Christianity.  I’d be glad to see some real evidence that that isn’t true. 

Lois

Current day, I’d definitely agree, since Christianity has been beaten back by science for quite a while now in the Western world. Plus early Christians didn’t have access to technology like the right wing Muslims do today, even though ideologically they’re where the middle ages xstians were.  BUT if we’re talking over the entire course of each religion’s history, I’d say Christianity’s “wins” hands down (and of course everybody else loses).


True, but we have to face Islamic violence now, not as a historical statistic.  If we’re in real danger it doesn’t matter who was worse in another era.

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garythehuman - 16 August 2013 10:58 AM

Sorry I Have been gone for a while.

Just a quick opinion.  I have long thought the main battle is not between the religious and the non-religious, but between the fundamentalists, of any type and the rest of society that just wants to get on and enjoy life while they can.

Could be but the destructive result is pretty much the same.

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