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Corporations Over Democracy?
Posted: 05 September 2013 09:48 AM   [ Ignore ]
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Corporations over democracy?

I’m writing to let you know about a secret trade deal that would threaten our democracy and help giant mega-corporations become even more powerful. This agreement, known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), would allow companies to sue and overturn democratically created laws if they hurt those companies’ profits. For example, cities that vote to ban fracking could then be sued by greedy gas companies over lost profits — totally undermining local laws and the democratic process itself.

The scariest part? Only a few members of Congress have even seen the details of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, while about 600 corporations have weighed in on the ins and outs of this deal.

The TPP would include 12 countries that border the Pacific, making it the largest free trade deal ever considered by the U.S., and also probably the biggest corporate power grab in history. This trade deal threatens everything we fight for. And to make matters worse, President Obama wants to approve this plan himself — without the input of the American public or Congress.

Take action today to protect the rights of Americans to decide what laws they want to live under. Sign the petition to stop the fast track of the Trans-Pacific Partnership!

Thanks for taking action,
Sarah Alexander
Food & Water Watch
act(at)fwwatch(dot)org

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Posted: 05 September 2013 03:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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I havent read the law but I’m just wondering if the real debate here is between federal rights vs states rights ( or local govt rights). If we decide as a country to allow fracking and its part of an overall energy policy but we then allow local governments to create a patchwork of laws across the country they could in theory derail a policy that might benefit the nation. The same argument could apply to laws that permit cell phone companies to install towers and limits the rights of local governments to stop them.

In some cases a law like this seems essential to allow the country to get things done that need to be done despite local opposition. I’m sure there is a more ominous side to this but again I didn’t read the law so feel free to point out the flaws in my thinking here.

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Posted: 06 September 2013 10:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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“Secret trade deal” - really Lois, I never took you to be a conspiracy nut.  How could this be secret if there’s a very public site for it: http://www.ustr.gov/tpp

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Posted: 06 September 2013 11:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Hey, Cuthbert, it is a secret because the site is currently undergoing maintenance.  wink

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Posted: 06 September 2013 12:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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CuthbertJ - 06 September 2013 10:34 AM

“Secret trade deal” - really Lois, I never took you to be a conspiracy nut.  How could this be secret if there’s a very public site for it: http://www.ustr.gov/tpp

Don’t shoot the messenger!  I just passed it on as an interesting idea. I don’t accept conspiracies.  But maybe this will get some people to focus on something other than space aliens, Americans bringing down the World Trade Center and that Obama was born in Kenya.

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Posted: 06 September 2013 02:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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The government site is back online. I browsed the information available and it seems pretty innocuous. Government reps, industry reps, NGO reps, academic reps from all over the world in a long series of negotiations working to codify international trade regulations including commerce, copyright and other routine stuff. I went to foodandwaterwatch.org and found absolutely nothing about these negotiations. Seems the email may be an urban legend.

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Posted: 06 September 2013 07:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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DarronS - 06 September 2013 02:10 PM

The government site is back online. I browsed the information available and it seems pretty innocuous. Government reps, industry reps, NGO reps, academic reps from all over the world in a long series of negotiations working to codify international trade regulations including commerce, copyright and other routine stuff. I went to foodandwaterwatch.org and found absolutely nothing about these negotiations. Seems the email may be an urban legend.

That’s always a possibility. Thanks for the research.

Lois

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Posted: 06 September 2013 09:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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macgyver - 05 September 2013 03:36 PM

I havent read the law but I’m just wondering if the real debate here is between federal rights vs states rights ( or local govt rights). If we decide as a country to allow fracking and its part of an overall energy policy but we then allow local governments to create a patchwork of laws across the country they could in theory derail a policy that might benefit the nation. The same argument could apply to laws that permit cell phone companies to install towers and limits the rights of local governments to stop them.

In some cases a law like this seems essential to allow the country to get things done that need to be done despite local opposition. I’m sure there is a more ominous side to this but again I didn’t read the law so feel free to point out the flaws in my thinking here.

Its said that one of the reasons why nuclear power in the US hasn’t taken off is that there’s so many different state regulations of nuclear power plants, that each unit has to be custom built, thus adding tremendously to the cost.

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Posted: 07 September 2013 08:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Coldheart Tucker - 06 September 2013 09:16 PM
macgyver - 05 September 2013 03:36 PM

I havent read the law but I’m just wondering if the real debate here is between federal rights vs states rights ( or local govt rights). If we decide as a country to allow fracking and its part of an overall energy policy but we then allow local governments to create a patchwork of laws across the country they could in theory derail a policy that might benefit the nation. The same argument could apply to laws that permit cell phone companies to install towers and limits the rights of local governments to stop them.

In some cases a law like this seems essential to allow the country to get things done that need to be done despite local opposition. I’m sure there is a more ominous side to this but again I didn’t read the law so feel free to point out the flaws in my thinking here.

Its said that one of the reasons why nuclear power in the US hasn’t taken off is that there’s so many different state regulations of nuclear power plants, that each unit has to be custom built, thus adding tremendously to the cost.

Most likely it’s because nuclear power is so dangerous to the environment and all the earth’s creatures.  I’m not sure it can ever be made safe.

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Posted: 07 September 2013 10:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Personally, I love nuclear power.  I just want to keep it where it is functioning very well, on the sun.  LOL

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Posted: 07 September 2013 10:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Occam. - 07 September 2013 10:13 AM

Personally, I love nuclear power.  I just want to keep it where it is functioning very well, on the sun.  LOL

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Ohhh..those temporary waste coolant tanks!  The cracked reactor vessels hanging precariously by a thread….


edited to add “waste” in front of coolant tanks.

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Posted: 07 September 2013 12:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Lois - 07 September 2013 08:16 AM

Most likely it’s because nuclear power is so dangerous to the environment and all the earth’s creatures.  I’m not sure it can ever be made safe.

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It is “made safe” in most reactors in the world. We just hear about the problem ones.

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Posted: 07 September 2013 01:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Lois - 07 September 2013 08:16 AM

Most likely it’s because nuclear power is so dangerous to the environment and all the earth’s creatures.  I’m not sure it can ever be made safe.

Lois

It is “made safe” in most reactors in the world. We just hear about the problem ones.

Year like Three Mile Island

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Posted: 07 September 2013 03:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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OK, just to clarify my post for anyone who didn’t get it.  The energy put out by the sun and all stars is the result of nuclear fusion.  As such, when we use solar panels or wind power, it’s from the sun and therefore, ultimately, nuclear.  So I was merely being a wise-ass and saying I’m in favor of it, but keep it on the sun.  I wasn’t arguing for nuclear here.  Geez.

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Posted: 08 September 2013 05:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Occam. - 07 September 2013 03:33 PM

OK, just to clarify my post for anyone who didn’t get it.  The energy put out by the sun and all stars is the result of nuclear fusion.  As such, when we use solar panels or wind power, it’s from the sun and therefore, ultimately, nuclear.  So I was merely being a wise-ass and saying I’m in favor of it, but keep it on the sun.  I wasn’t arguing for nuclear here.  Geez.

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I got that Occam.  Maybe you took the extension of my comments as a counter, but it was merely re-inforcement.

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Posted: 08 September 2013 07:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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TromboneAndrew - 07 September 2013 12:39 PM
Lois - 07 September 2013 08:16 AM

Most likely it’s because nuclear power is so dangerous to the environment and all the earth’s creatures.  I’m not sure it can ever be made safe.

Lois

It is “made safe” in most reactors in the world. We just hear about the problem ones.

What makes you think one of the “problem ones” isn’t going to affect you or your loved ones?  Got any guarantees for us?

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