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Corporations Over Democracy?
Posted: 10 September 2013 12:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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Vyazma’s right about reducing our population.  One thing we could do is eliminate the dependent deductions for children on income tax which would remove a small bit of motivation to have kids.  Far more important would be for all governments to offer free vasectomies and tubal ligations, and contraceptive devices to everyone.  A problem with that is that the more intelligent would take advantage of such programs while the lowest intelligent people wouldn’t.  Possibly a $1,000 payment for such surgery for anyone who gets below 85 on an IQ test.  Yes, there are a lot of problems, but answering them would make too long a post.  smile

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Posted: 10 September 2013 03:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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Coldheart Tucker - 10 September 2013 05:50 AM

Given that the Chinese government tends to turn a blind eye to the thousands of illegal coal mines and power plants currently operating in China, I can’t see them putting the brakes on growth. If they try, I doubt that the Communist government would remain in power for very long. The chaos and disorder which would arise from a revolution would be far worse, from an environmental standpoint, than the government allowing growth to continue.

Although I can’t accurately express it,  I think there are other ways in which growth could be curtailed.
It’s not unlike that Jevrons(?) Rule you stated.
I think a critical mass can be reached in regards to population size/resource use.
Who knows?  Maybe there isn’t.

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Posted: 10 September 2013 03:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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Occam. - 10 September 2013 12:03 PM

Vyazma’s right about reducing our population.  One thing we could do is eliminate the dependent deductions for children on income tax which would remove a small bit of motivation to have kids.  Far more important would be for all governments to offer free vasectomies and tubal ligations, and contraceptive devices to everyone.  A problem with that is that the more intelligent would take advantage of such programs while the lowest intelligent people wouldn’t.  Possibly a $1,000 payment for such surgery for anyone who gets below 85 on an IQ test.  Yes, there are a lot of problems, but answering them would make too long a post.  smile

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Yes there are problems. But they can be worked out. 
Occam the biggest problem as you already know, is having the Political Fortitude to implement such plans.
That’s the hurdle.  Someone or some people to step up and face the music and implement these types of programs.
I wouldn’t discriminate on IQ for example(because it would be too controversial) but we could still offer payment or permanent tax breaks for
any people who undergo such treatments.

Or normal taxes for families with up to 3 children.  Then heavy tax penalties for additional children.

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Posted: 15 September 2013 09:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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Occam. - 10 September 2013 12:03 PM

Vyazma’s right about reducing our population.  One thing we could do is eliminate the dependent deductions for children on income tax which would remove a small bit of motivation to have kids.  Far more important would be for all governments to offer free vasectomies and tubal ligations, and contraceptive devices to everyone.  A problem with that is that the more intelligent would take advantage of such programs while the lowest intelligent people wouldn’t.  Possibly a $1,000 payment for such surgery for anyone who gets below 85 on an IQ test.  Yes, there are a lot of problems, but answering them would make too long a post.  smile

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Based on the experience of Western Europe and the US which would have a falling population if not for immigration; a better idea may be to ensure economic and social support for the elderly.  This would reduce the need for people to have children to provide for them in their old age.

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Posted: 15 September 2013 12:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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garythehuman - 15 September 2013 09:08 AM
Occam. - 10 September 2013 12:03 PM

Vyazma’s right about reducing our population.  One thing we could do is eliminate the dependent deductions for children on income tax which would remove a small bit of motivation to have kids.  Far more important would be for all governments to offer free vasectomies and tubal ligations, and contraceptive devices to everyone.  A problem with that is that the more intelligent would take advantage of such programs while the lowest intelligent people wouldn’t.  Possibly a $1,000 payment for such surgery for anyone who gets below 85 on an IQ test.  Yes, there are a lot of problems, but answering them would make too long a post.  smile

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Based on the experience of Western Europe and the US which would have a falling population if not for immigration; a better idea may be to ensure economic and social support for the elderly.  This would reduce the need for people to have children to provide for them in their old age.

However, that’s not why people have children.  It’s just one of the many explanations after the fact. People have children because they are physically and psychologically driven to have them. We all have lots of rationalizations about why and we especially love to imagine OTHER PEOPLE’s motivations, most of which are wrong. We are victims of our own nature. We have convinced ourselves that we can understand and control human reproduction intellectually. 

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Posted: 15 September 2013 03:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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Over 150,000 people die each day in the world.  How about Soylent Green fuel as a supplemental energy resource?

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Posted: 15 September 2013 03:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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TimB - 15 September 2013 03:13 PM

Over 150,000 people die each day in the world.  How about Soylent Green fuel as a supplemental energy resource?

You may think you’re joking.

The fastest eco boat on the planet will attempt to break the round the world speed record using fuel made from human fat.

Pete Bethune, the New Zealand skipper of Earthrace, said the attempt to circumnavigate the globe would begin from Valencia in Spain on March 1 next year.

Bethune and his wife mortgaged their house and sold everything they own to help make the project happen, while continuing to seek support from sponsors.

And, don’t think the military hasn’t thought about this, because they have.

It could be a combination of 19th-century mechanics, 21st-century technology 㔌 and a 20th-century horror movie.

A Maryland company under contract to the Pentagon is working on a steam-powered robot that would fuel itself by gobbling up whatever organic material it can find 㔌 grass, wood, old furniture, even dead bodies.

Robotic Technology Inc.‘s Energetically Autonomous Tactical Robot 㔌 that’s right, “EATR” 㔌 “can find, ingest, and extract energy from biomass in the environment (and other organically-based energy sources), as well as use conventional and alternative fuels (such as gasoline, heavy fuel, kerosene, diesel, propane, coal, cooking oil, and solar) when suitable,” reads the company’s Web site.

That “biomass” and “other organically-based energy sources” wouldn’t necessarily be limited to plant material 㔌 animal and human corpses contain plenty of energy, and they’d be plentiful in a war zone.

How’s that for your dystopian future: A planet eternally consumed by war, because the weapons of war are powered by the corpses of the fallen.

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Posted: 15 September 2013 03:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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If human fat is a viable energy resource, the US should easily be energy self sufficient.  Hook me up to the liposuction machine, Honey Boo Boo!

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Posted: 15 September 2013 04:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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TimB - 15 September 2013 03:13 PM

Over 150,000 people die each day in the world.  How about Soylent Green fuel as a supplemental energy resource?

I read a very ridiculous OP-ED piece in the NYTs yesterday by some guy who claims over-population isn’t a problem.
That humankind has continually used technology and UNNATURAL(his word) methods for adapting to population/space ratios.
I didn’t finish the article because there were many logic errors and just plain false equivalencies.

The main point is that he looked back on history as his example.  Histories that had 100s of millions of people, or 1, 2, 3 billions of people.
He failed to mention that space on Earth is finite, and he failed to mention that people constantly spread out and migrated in those histories.
He has no basis for his conclusions because we have been approaching never before obtained numbers of people in a closed, finite system.

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