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Posted: 11 November 2013 02:33 PM   [ Ignore ]
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What is god’s role in the Philippine disaster? What is god’s role in helping the victims

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Posted: 11 November 2013 04:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Lois - 11 November 2013 02:33 PM

What is god’s role in the Philippine disaster? What is god’s eole in helping the victims?

All natural disasters happen within God’s providence—his direction of the universe and the affairs of mankind.  Natural disasters shout at us about the uncertainty and brevity of life.  When Jesus was asked about the suffering of some men in Galilee he said, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”

We will all die, and we should be ready for that reality.  For the Christian, that means living for God each day and being prepared to stand before him.  That includes trusting him through all difficulties and disasters in our lives, being sure that we have a better life waiting for us in the World to Come.  That’s our hope and hope spurs us to action.

As those who trust God, Christians must help all victims of natural disasters and calamity.  We are commanded to grieve with those who grieve and provide for those in need.  We are to help each other in this life, and assure each other of a better life to come.

“Pain insists upon being attended to. God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our consciences, but shouts in our pains. It is his megaphone to rouse a deaf world.”
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Posted: 11 November 2013 07:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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LilySmith - 11 November 2013 04:48 PM
Lois - 11 November 2013 02:33 PM

What is god’s role in the Philippine disaster? What is god’s eole in helping the victims?

All natural disasters happen within God’s providence—his direction of the universe and the affairs of mankind.  Natural disasters shout at us about the uncertainty and brevity of life.  When Jesus was asked about the suffering of some men in Galilee he said, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”

We will all die, and we should be ready for that reality.  For the Christian, that means living for God each day and being prepared to stand before him.  That includes trusting him through all difficulties and disasters in our lives, being sure that we have a better life waiting for us in the World to Come.  That’s our hope and hope spurs us to action.

As those who trust God, Christians must help all victims of natural disasters and calamity.  We are commanded to grieve with those who grieve and provide for those in need.  We are to help each other in this life, and assure each other of a better life to come.

“Pain insists upon being attended to. God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our consciences, but shouts in our pains. It is his megaphone to rouse a deaf world.”
― C.S. Lewis

You wrote: All natural disasters happen within God’s providence—his direction of the universe and the affairs of mankind.  Natural disasters shout at us about the uncertainty and brevity of life.

Did he ned to kill thousands of people, including innocent children, most of whom would not understand, in one small area to get this point across?

You wrote: When Jesus was asked about the suffering of some men in Galilee he said, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”


Do you think the Fillippinos have not repented?  The majority of them are Christians! Why the Christian Fillipinos and not non-Christian Asians?  If he’s trying to get a message across to Christians that Christianity is the true religion, he’s got an odd way of doing it!


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Posted: 11 November 2013 08:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Lois, don’t forget that when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans it wiped out all the churches in the Lower Ninth Ward but spared Bourbon Street. That means god likes to party, or Baptists aren’t real Christians. Take your pick.

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Posted: 12 November 2013 12:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Every time I hear a justification of God reminding us of something good by destroying something I cannot help drawing the comparison of a husband who beats his wife to death to remind other wives how lucky they are to be alive?

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Posted: 12 November 2013 03:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Every time I hear a justification of God reminding us of something good by destroying something I cannot help drawing the comparison of a husband who beats his wife to death to remind other wives how lucky they are to be alive?

That’s because Yawyeh is one consistently pissed off god who kills, maims and destroys anyone who isn’t a Hebrew. Deuteronomy (especially 2:25) is replete with warnings, torture and “death to anyone who gets in his way” verses. Which just goes to show ya that this cobbled together piece of literature is ripe for cherry picking verses to sustain anything I might believe in at the time. Volcanic eruption of Mount St. Helen’s? God’s punishment for the founding of “Starbucks”. God wants us to have cheaper coffee. Let’s base our sorrow and revulsion of this mega disaster on reality and blame it on global warming.

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Posted: 12 November 2013 05:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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DarronS - 11 November 2013 08:54 PM

Lois, don’t forget that when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans it wiped out all the churches in the Lower Ninth Ward but spared Bourbon Street. That means god likes to party, or Baptists aren’t real Christians. Take your pick.

Yes, and don’t overlook the homosexuality aspect. That really sends him into a frenzy. Anything that has to do with sex seems to have that effect.

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Posted: 12 November 2013 06:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Perhaps it is a matter of mathematics. Homosexuals can add, subtract and divide, but they don’t multiply, which seems to make god really angry.

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Posted: 12 November 2013 08:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Lois - 11 November 2013 02:33 PM

What is god’s role in the Philippine disaster? What is god’s eole in helping the victims?

All natural disasters happen within God’s providence—his direction of the universe and the affairs of mankind.  Natural disasters shout at us about the uncertainty and brevity of life.  When Jesus was asked about the suffering of some men in Galilee he said, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”

We will all die, and we should be ready for that reality.  For the Christian, that means living for God each day and being prepared to stand before him.  That includes trusting him through all difficulties and disasters in our lives, being sure that we have a better life waiting for us in the World to Come.  That’s our hope and hope spurs us to action.

As those who trust God, Christians must help all victims of natural disasters and calamity.  We are commanded to grieve with those who grieve and provide for those in need.  We are to help each other in this life, and assure each other of a better life to come.

“Pain insists upon being attended to. God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our consciences, but shouts in our pains. It is his megaphone to rouse a deaf world.”
― C.S. Lewis

The god you are crating is an evil god according to your view it uses mass slaughter of innocents to get hits point across;  can’t get much more evil than that.

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Posted: 12 November 2013 08:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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No no no, Gary. You’ve got it all wrong. God slaughters innocent people to show us his love and mercy. Geez. How hard is that to rationalize explain? How could we possibly know how much god loves us if children did not die of cancer?

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Posted: 12 November 2013 08:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Lois - 11 November 2013 07:35 PM

Did he ned to kill thousands of people, including innocent children, most of whom would not understand, in one small area to get this point across?

Each day in this world nearly 300,000 people die, including children.  God gives life and God takes away life according to His will.  It is His creation.  A person can either accept the reality, or he can whine and complain about it.  He can’t change it.

You wrote: When Jesus was asked about the suffering of some men in Galilee he said, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”

Do you think the Fillippinos have not repented?  The majority of them are Christians! Why the Christian Fillipinos and not non-Christian Asians?  If he’s trying to get a message across to Christians that Christianity is the true religion, he’s got an odd way of doing it!

Jesus’ quote is about what happens to us after we die.  Everyone will die at some point, non-Christians and Christians, unrepentant sinners and those who’ve repented of their sins.  The point is to be ready to die—to repent of your sins and receive God’s forgiveness so that you may have eternal life and do not perish.

“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”  John 3:16

If the majority of those who died in the Philippines were Christians, then they have entered eternal life and received the blessings they had hoped for by faith.  For those who did not repent, but remained at enmity with God, they will perish.

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LilySmith - 12 November 2013 08:26 AM

Each day in this world nearly 300,000 people die, including children.  God gives life and God takes away life according to His will.  It is His creation.  A person can either accept the reality, or he can whine and complain about it.  He can’t change it.

Wow. So god can do whatever he wants and that is OK? Guess what. I have higher moral standards than your god, who as mentioned above is an abusive tyrant.

Jesus’ quote is about what happens to us after we die.  Everyone will die at some point, non-Christians and Christians, unrepentant sinners and those who’ve repented of their sins.  The point is to be ready to die—to repent of your sins and receive God’s forgiveness so that you may have eternal life and do not perish.

I do not need to repent. I reject your god. You have no proof such a being exists. Your platitudes about god’s will are tiresome.

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garythehuman - 12 November 2013 08:02 AM

The god you are crating is an evil god according to your view it uses mass slaughter of innocents to get hits point across;  can’t get much more evil than that.

In my view of God, He is the creator of all life and has determined when, where and how long each life exists on this earth.  Everyone dies.  That’s not slaughter nor is it evil, it is by design.  What is evil is a created man who thinks he knows better than God and can judge his Creator.  I believe that’s called arrogance—an attitude of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or in presumptuous claims or assumptions.

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Write4U - 12 November 2013 12:29 AM

Every time I hear a justification of God reminding us of something good by destroying something I cannot help drawing the comparison of a husband who beats his wife to death to remind other wives how lucky they are to be alive?

Really?  That comparison makes absolutely no sense.

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garythehuman - 12 November 2013 08:02 AM

The god you are crating is an evil god according to your view it uses mass slaughter of innocents to get hits point across;  can’t get much more evil than that.

In my view of God, He is the creator of all life and has determined when, where and how long each life exists on this earth.  Everyone dies.  That’s not slaughter nor is it evil, it is by design.  What is evil is a created man who thinks he knows better than God and can judge his Creator.  I believe that’s called arrogance—an attitude of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or in presumptuous claims or assumptions.

How do you know you’re not being deceived and in fact the being you call god is the Devil? I mean let’s say there were two men. One was loving to some of his children, but allowed others to suffer horribly even though he could easily do something about it (let’s say he’s rich and mitigating the suffering was only a matter of purchasing the right medication).  Then there’s another man who loves all his children, and whenever one is suffering, he does whatever it takes to alleviate the suffering. 

Which of these two men would you choose to befriend? And let’s even say the first guy, when you question him about it says “hey, I have my reasons why I let some of my kids suffer”.  If you chose the first person, I’d say you were being deceived into thinking he really was a good guy, even though his actions prove otherwise. So I think given what you’ve said, about believing in this being who allows innocent children to suffer, even though he can do something about it (and if he can’t, then he’s no god), you are definitely being deceived and in fact you believe in Satan.  You better watch out, believing in Satan is gonna land you in hell.

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Write4U - 12 November 2013 12:29 AM

Every time I hear a justification of God reminding us of something good by destroying something I cannot help drawing the comparison of a husband who beats his wife to death to remind other wives how lucky they are to be alive?

Really?  That comparison makes absolutely no sense.

If you change the words “husband” to the word “God” and “wife” to “people”, then does it make sense? That is the story you have been telling so far.

“God kills people to remind other people how lucky they are to be alive and therefore should worship God.”  Is that not the point of your story?

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