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Posted: 16 November 2013 06:19 PM   [ Ignore ]
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With the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination fast approaching, I wanted to put out some facts regarding the case.  In my younger days, I was fascinated by this case and, at the time, believed in a conspiracy.  My fascination with the event caused me to seek out information on it.  That information led me to change my mind.  I now have no doubt Lee Harvey Oswald fired 3 shots from the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) wounding Governor Connally and killing President Kennedy.

So for all the rational people out there, here are some facts to offer to your friends, family and co-workers when this case again begins to be discussed due to the coming anniversary.


Oswald’s Skill

•  Oswald was a Sharpshooter in the Marines. 

•  The Limousine was moving @ 9MPH and less than 100 yards away in an almost straight line with the 6th floor window.  Translation:  It was an easy shot. 

•  While in the Soviet Union, Oswald belonged to a rifle club where he used iron sights as opposed to the scope giving him a faster sight on target.

•  When Oswald lived in New Orleans his neighbors reported that he was constantly practicing dry-firing and working the bolt of his rifle on his back porch.

The Rifle

•  It was a 6.5 Mannlicher-Carcano.

•  Two of Oswald’s shots were 1.6 seconds apart.

•  At a 1992 shooting event held by Richard Davis, the scene was set up to recreate the conditions in Dallas - same rifle, same distance, moving target, etc.  Electronic timers timed each shooter.  Several shooters not only broke the 1.6 second interval for two shots, but all 3 rounds hit their moving target.  Every single shooter who did this was left-handed.  Oswald shot left-handed.

The Bullet

•  It is NOT “pristine.”  It is usually shown from the angle where it looks straight, such as viewing a banana from the angle where you cannot see its curve.  Like a banana, the bullet is actually bent.

•  The bullet had a heavy jacketed nose and could easily gone through flesh and bone and remain fairly intact.

•  The lead fragments from the bullet were matched with neutron activation analysis by Dr. Vincent Gwen.  The exact same lead from that bullet was found in both Connally and Kennedy.

The Angle of the Shots

•  Entrance and exit wounds line up and clearly point to originating from above and behind.

•  3D computer analysis based on entrance and exit wounds lead back directly to the 6th floor window of the TSBD.

Acoustic Evidence of 3 Shots

•  A Dictabelt recording of the shots recorded from a police motorcycle microphone that was stuck-open shows only 3 shots. 

•  Modern acoustic analysis based on the location of the microphone triangulates all 3 sounds coming from the direction of the 6th floor window of the TSBD.

Misc.

•  Oswald worked in that building and was stationed on the 6th floor.

•  Oswald’s palm print was on the rifle.

•  Bullet fragments and the cartridge were ballistically traced to come from Oswald’s gun.

•  Autopsy results on Kennedy’s wound confirm they came from above and behind.

Case closed.

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Posted: 16 November 2013 07:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Rocinante - 16 November 2013 06:19 PM

With the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination fast approaching, I wanted to put out some facts regarding the case.  In my younger days, I was fascinated by this case and, at the time, believed in a conspiracy.  My fascination with the event caused me to seek out information on it.  That information led me to change my mind.  I now have no doubt Lee Harvey Oswald fired 3 shots from the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) wounding Governor Connally and killing President Kennedy.

So for all the rational people out there, here are some facts to offer to your friends, family and co-workers when this case again begins to be discussed due to the coming anniversary.


Oswald’s Skill

•  Oswald was a Sharpshooter in the Marines. 

•  The Limousine was moving @ 9MPH and less than 100 yards away in an almost straight line with the 6th floor window.  Translation:  It was an easy shot. 

•  While in the Soviet Union, Oswald belonged to a rifle club where he used iron sights as opposed to the scope giving him a faster sight on target.

•  When Oswald lived in New Orleans his neighbors reported that he was constantly practicing dry-firing and working the bolt of his rifle on his back porch.

The Rifle

•  It was a 6.5 Mannlicher-Carcano.

•  Two of Oswald’s shots were 1.6 seconds apart.

•  At a 1992 shooting event held by Richard Davis, the scene was set up to recreate the conditions in Dallas - same rifle, same distance, moving target, etc.  Electronic timers timed each shooter.  Several shooters not only broke the 1.6 second interval for two shots, but all 3 rounds hit their moving target.  Every single shooter who did this was left-handed.  Oswald shot left-handed.

The Bullet

•  It is NOT “pristine.”  It is usually shown from the angle where it looks straight, such as viewing a banana from the angle where you cannot see its curve.  Like a banana, the bullet is actually bent.

•  The bullet had a heavy jacketed nose and could easily gone through flesh and bone and remain fairly intact.

•  The lead fragments from the bullet were matched with neutron activation analysis by Dr. Vincent Gwen.  The exact same lead from that bullet was found in both Connally and Kennedy.

The Angle of the Shots

•  Entrance and exit wounds line up and clearly point to originating from above and behind.

•  3D computer analysis based on entrance and exit wounds lead back directly to the 6th floor window of the TSBD.

Acoustic Evidence of 3 Shots

•  A Dictabelt recording of the shots recorded from a police motorcycle microphone that was stuck-open shows only 3 shots. 

•  Modern acoustic analysis based on the location of the microphone triangulates all 3 sounds coming from the direction of the 6th floor window of the TSBD.

Misc.

•  Oswald worked in that building and was stationed on the 6th floor.

•  Oswald’s palm print was on the rifle.

•  Bullet fragments and the cartridge were ballistically traced to come from Oswald’s gun.

•  Autopsy results on Kennedy’s wound confirm they came from above and behind.

Case closed.

Unfortunately, it will never be closed to the conspiracy nuts.

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Posted: 16 November 2013 10:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Yes, the longer the experts look at it, the more they dig up on Oswald, the more firm the conclusion.

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Posted: 17 November 2013 09:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Yea, you know I’ve kinda made “peace” with all that too, that being, Oswald being the lone shooter and assassin of President Kennedy.

Then I listened to this interview with investigative reporter Philip Shenon who’s written a retailed account of the Warren Commission’s investigation.

While it hasn’t changed my acceptance of Oswald being the only shooter - the information revealed is shocking and un-nerving.

So now in my mind the assassination of President goes down as another instance of a conspiracy of willful ignorance and looking the other way.

While not as malicious as the Bush/Cheney Administration playing dumb waiting for some catalyzing terrorist event for rallying the troops and proceeding with their New American Century strategy of attempting to own the world. 
Every bit as destructive to healthy outcomes for our society… as the procession of events is demonstrating all too well.

A Cruel and Shocking Act

Botched Investigation Fuels Kennedy Conspiracy Theories
WHYY’s Fresh Air - October 28, 2013
http://www.npr.org/2013/10/28/240822565/botched-investigation-fuels-kennedy-conspiracy-theories

Veteran investigative reporter Philip Shenon looks for the root of five decades of speculation in A Cruel and Shocking Act. The new book recounts the work of the Warren Commission appointed by President Johnson to investigate the assassination.

Shenon tells Fresh Air’s Dave Davies that throughout the investigation, Chief Justice Warren — who was close to the Kennedy family — “makes decisions that seem to be designed to protect President Kennedy’s legacy, to protect the privacy of the Kennedy family, even if that means that not all the facts are gathered about the assassination.”

Shenon pored over the files of the commission, spoke to many of its surviving staff attorneys, and did original research and interviews about some aspects of the case. While he’s not convinced of a conspiracy to murder the president, he concludes that senior officials of the U.S. government, especially at the CIA, destroyed evidence and lied about the assassination and the events that led up to it.

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Posted: 17 November 2013 09:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Alternate theories are useful when an event has not been well analyzed. When its been rehashed a thousand times with 99% of the evidence pointing to one explanation and all the alternates can come up with is a bunch of questions but no answers to explain the outstanding 1% then it sinks to the level of a conspiracy theory. Since we never have all the data surrounding any event there will always be some details we cant explain, but only if the event is important enough will conspiracy theories abound.

Two or three days a week a pair of my socks ends up in the middle of the living room. I’m sure the dog is doing it but I’ve never so much as caught her near the socks and they are never chewed on and never even the slightest bit damp. Can I account for all the facts in this case? Nope, but I doubt many people are going to suggest that there is a conspiracy of government spooks or garden gnomes to move my socks. Where is a good conspiracy theorist when you need one. I want to know whats going on with my damn socks!!

P.S. - If you like thought experiments read Stephen Kings 11-22-63 sometime. Its an interesting book about what would have happened if someone had stopped Oswald.

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Posted: 17 November 2013 11:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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macgyver - 17 November 2013 09:52 AM

Alternate theories are useful when an event has not been well analyzed. When its been rehashed a thousand times with 99% of the evidence pointing to one explanation and all the alternates can come up with is a bunch of questions but no answers to explain the outstanding 1% then it sinks to the level of a conspiracy theory. Since we never have all the data surrounding any event there will always be some details we cant explain, but only if the event is important enough will conspiracy theories abound.

Two or three days a week a pair of my socks ends up in the middle of the living room. I’m sure the dog is doing it but I’ve never so much as caught her near the socks and they are never chewed on and never even the slightest bit damp. Can I account for all the facts in this case? Nope, but I doubt many people are going to suggest that there is a conspiracy of government spooks or garden gnomes to move my socks. Where is a good conspiracy theorist when you need one. I want to know whats going on with my damn socks!!

P.S. - If you like thought experiments read Stephen Kings 11-22-63 sometime. Its an interesting book about what would have happened if someone had stopped Oswald.

As for those socks, I set up a video camera and solve that mystery once and for all. But you’ll have to do it secretly, keeping it from all family members including the dog. wink

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Posted: 17 November 2013 11:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Don’t get me wrong, I was using “conspiracy” in a cartoonish sense.

Haven’t found the right word… something more subtle, ‘cascading consequences’ doesn’t do it justice, though the momentum of decisions sure plays a big roll. . .  and so on . . .

In any event, Philip Shenon’s book isn’t about any “conspiracy”
so much as examining dynamics and power acting to protect itself.
Also it’s another fascinating behind-the-scenes look that reveals quite a bit.


I think the interview (and book) definitely add another unexpected dimension and shines a light on behavior and attitudes of the bureaucracy back then.

A Cruel and Shocking Act

Botched Investigation Fuels Kennedy Conspiracy Theories
WHYY’s Fresh Air - October 28, 2013
http://www.npr.org/2013/10/28/240822565/botched-investigation-fuels-kennedy-conspiracy-theories

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Posted: 18 November 2013 11:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Kennedy was before my time, so I viewing the whole story with fresh eyes.  Every time I hear the conspiracy theorists pushing their ideas on me, they say, “Theory X is certainly wrong because…”.  And I’m left wondering, “What is theory X, anyway”, as I walk away.  I know how emotional everyone is about the topic, and no-one more-so than the conspiracy theorists, so they’re the only ones talking about the assassination now-a-days.  That makes it hard to get the real story, to say the least.  It is terribly sad story and I hear it was a confusing trickle of information at that time.

So, I was so relieved to see CNN’s “The Assassination of President Kennedy” yesterday, because it just explained the strait facts, from beginning to end, and in an up-to-date version, they really dug-up some telling films about the prominent people involved that day, or involved with the later investigations.  It began to turn me into a virgin conspiracy-nut by the middle of it (because they touched on some of the conspiracy theories), but settled me down by the end of it, with the facts that were brand new to me.  smile I was shocked to see that Oswald was so calm while in hand-cuffs in the middle of the big frenzy, I would think he’d be frazzled whether innocent or guilty, due to the tremendous events around him.  The investigations point the finger at Oswald, the Warren commission and all subsequent ones included.  About prosecutor Garrison of New Orleans, his investigations were unfounded.  I didn’t see actor Kevin Costner’s portrayal of Garrison, except for a clip or two.  They’ll probably show the CNN documentary on TV again, its a good one for those born after the 1960’s, because it takes the long comprehensive view, rather than seeing the piecemeal story as daily news updates.

Now I’m happy that I finally understand why singers Mick Jagger, and Corey Glover sung about Kennedy’s death, and why the movie “Full Metal Jacket” pseudo-bragged that Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marine marksman. That’s a relief.

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Posted: 18 November 2013 02:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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citizenschallenge.pm - 17 November 2013 09:10 AM

Yea, you know I’ve kinda made “peace” with all that too, that being, Oswald being the lone shooter and assassin of President Kennedy.

Then I listened to this interview with investigative reporter Philip Shenon who’s written a retailed account of the Warren Commission’s investigation.

While it hasn’t changed my acceptance of Oswald being the only shooter - the information revealed is shocking and un-nerving.

So now in my mind the assassination of President goes down as another instance of a conspiracy of willful ignorance and looking the other way.

While not as malicious as the Bush/Cheney Administration playing dumb waiting for some catalyzing terrorist event for rallying the troops and proceeding with their New American Century strategy of attempting to own the world. 
Every bit as destructive to healthy outcomes for our society… as the procession of events is demonstrating all too well.

A Cruel and Shocking Act

Botched Investigation Fuels Kennedy Conspiracy Theories
WHYY’s Fresh Air - October 28, 2013
http://www.npr.org/2013/10/28/240822565/botched-investigation-fuels-kennedy-conspiracy-theories

Veteran investigative reporter Philip Shenon looks for the root of five decades of speculation in A Cruel and Shocking Act. The new book recounts the work of the Warren Commission appointed by President Johnson to investigate the assassination.

Shenon tells Fresh Air’s Dave Davies that throughout the investigation, Chief Justice Warren — who was close to the Kennedy family — “makes decisions that seem to be designed to protect President Kennedy’s legacy, to protect the privacy of the Kennedy family, even if that means that not all the facts are gathered about the assassination.”

Shenon pored over the files of the commission, spoke to many of its surviving staff attorneys, and did original research and interviews about some aspects of the case. While he’s not convinced of a conspiracy to murder the president, he concludes that senior officials of the U.S. government, especially at the CIA, destroyed evidence and lied about the assassination and the events that led up to it.

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I have no idea whether any government officials actually lied about the assassination or destroyed evidence after the fact. or, more important, why they would do so, it doesn’t change the evidence we do have of who shot Kennedy. Whether there were shenanigans in the government about it is a completely different issue and has no bearing on who was directly responsible for the shooting.

What makesyou think Philip Shenon is correct in his assessment? Have you or anyone else closely investigated his premise and where he got his evidence?

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In this mornings Buffalo News; they ran a story on Oswald’s ex wife and how the British media are harassing her.  IMO running the story only helps to harass her.  Leave the lady alone she has suffered enough for marrying an vicious ideological idiot.

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garythehuman - 18 November 2013 03:04 PM

In this mornings Buffalo News; they ran a story on Oswald’s ex wife and how the British media are harassing her.  IMO running the story only helps to harass her.  Leave the lady alone she has suffered enough for marrying an vicious ideological idiot.

Add this to the long list of things I don’t understand about human nature. IN a similar vein lots of people called and harassed the poor model who was the face of the ACA on the government website. Some people just need an outlet for their juvenile emotional outbursts and don’t care how remote the connection between the subject of their anger and the focus of their attacks.

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Lois - 18 November 2013 02:13 PM

I have no idea whether any government officials actually lied about the assassination or destroyed evidence after the fact. or, more important, why they would do so, it doesn’t change the evidence we do have of who shot Kennedy. Whether there were shenanigans in the government about it is a completely different issue and has no bearing on who was directly responsible for the shooting.

What makes you think Philip Shenon is correct in his assessment? Have you or anyone else closely investigated his premise and where he got his evidence?

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Have you listened to the interview?

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I’m just a working schmuck, so don’t have a chance to “check it out” beyond some objective surfing the web, and I haven’t found anyone tearing apart Shenon’s claims and I do run into various independent reports along these lines,
and considering it does a nice job of echoing portions of my perspective… what can I say   ;-

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/reviews/a-cruel-and-shocking-act-by-philip-shenon-8939682.html

What Shenon reveals is not the vast conspiracy imagined by some, but just the sheer scale of confusion regarding the events in Dallas at the time and the many half-truths, back-covering and evasions which allowed the conspiracy to fester. He uncovers documents and stories which either made it nowhere near the Commission or – if they did – were blocked.

The biggest of these pertains to the federal agencies’ tracking of Oswald while he visited Mexico City in 1963. It is not the conspiracy imagined in Oliver Stone’s execrable film JFK, but it is a hall or mirrors which will never be fully understood due to the inexplicable contemporary decisions of some key figures as well as the professional obfuscation of figures like the FBI’s J Edgar Hoover and CIA “mole-hunter” James Angleton.

downer before you tag me, nooo, I haven’t read the book, although with all this, guess I should make it a point.  hmmm

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Rocinante - 16 November 2013 06:19 PM

•  A Dictabelt recording of the shots recorded from a police motorcycle microphone that was stuck-open shows only 3 shots. 

•  Modern acoustic analysis based on the location of the microphone triangulates all 3 sounds coming from the direction of the 6th floor window of the TSBD.

And how can one triangulate based on one microphone? You need at least three.

And even if it is sure that Oswald did it, in whose command was he? In the end, we know the tried assassination on Reagan was done by the KGB, and John Lennon was killed by the Knights Templar.  No?  tongue rolleye

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Posted: 19 November 2013 10:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Again, I’m amazed at how such otherwise skeptical people such as yourselves can be utterly unskeptical and trusting of the official story. It’s as if no amount of evidence will shake your belief and faith in organizations like the CIA, the Pentagon, and the US government.  Amazing, and nutty.

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GdB - 19 November 2013 12:03 AM

And how can one triangulate based on one microphone? You need at least three.

My mistake.  I believe the method used was an audio technique known as Echo Location that determines the direction of sounds. 

GdB - 19 November 2013 12:03 AM

And even if it is sure that Oswald did it, in whose command was he?

I only posted evidence as to who fired the shots and from where.  Beyond that, I have no evidence.  But then, again, neither do the conspiracy theorists.  Their anomaly hunting is not evidence.  So with that in mind, the null hypothesis that Oswald decided to do it himself due to his known violet extremism and impulsiveness is the one we should stay with until evidence otherwise surfaces.

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