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Thoughts on Terrorism
Posted: 18 January 2014 11:43 AM   [ Ignore ]
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I’m watching a documentary on the Weather Underground. Very fascinating and enlightening. Very inspirational as well. I seem to always like the ideas of these “revolutionaries”, but I can’t get myself to join them. - Maybe I’m just too drunk, or maybe I’m a wimp, or maybe they’re wrong.

Sex, Drugs, and Revolution.

Human suffering is a bit more complicated than that, but I still get inspired by these “movements”.

Short-sightedness you might call it. Emotion taking over the mind. True emotions, valid emotions, false response.

Terrorism as it is known today was sort of birthed by the RAF, the Red Army Faction, the Baader-Meinhof Group, a German, left-wing, young people group that sought help from the Middle East as they conceived their struggle to be the same. - Wrong.

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Terrorists are all the same still… deluded individuals with great ideas.

Hey, you want revolution, stick to philosophy… it’s the only thing that ever changes anything. - Blow up buildings, you already discredited yourself. Kill someone, now your madness is plain.

Terrorism seemed like a good idea back then, and apparently some deluded Muslims still think it is, but all it does is reinforce existing structures. It’s working backwards.

You want change? Drop your weapons. Sit down and talk. - Yeah, it’s gonna take some time, but it’s time well spent. - The moment you threaten with violence your voice is as useless as that of a mute. Nobody, nobody responds nicely to violence.

My point? I like revolution. But I’m pretty annoyed by terrorists or so-called “fighters” who have no idea of the real world. - You wanna change things? Do it the right way. Or the left way, but do it in as way that works.

Your ideas have my support, your actions do not.

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Posted: 19 January 2014 01:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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One of the most annoying observations I made many years ago when I was young, was that every belief system, conservative, liberal, terrorist, etc., has at least a few positive ideas that are easily understood.  Most of them, however, also have some negative, destructive ideas, usually more complex and hidden. 

I agree that revolution should be avoided and used only as a last resort against dictatorships where the citizens have no other way of instituting change.   

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Posted: 22 January 2014 08:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Terrorism as it is known today was sort of birthed by the RAF, the Red Army Faction, the Baader-Meinhof Group, a German, left-wing, young people group that sought help from the Middle East as they conceived their struggle to be the same. -

That’s not quite true.  The history of terrorism goes farther back than that; John Brown’s raid on Harpers Ferry, the assassination that triggered WWI are just two of what today would be considered terrorist acts.  There are two problems with how we are dealing with terrorism today.  The first is that the Military Industrial and Intelligence complexes use the threat of terrorism to increase their funding and influence.  The second is that governments often use the excuse of “terrorism” to control populations, invade countries, etc. often for purposes that have much more to do with economic control of resources than any terrorist threat.

That being said, I have no use for violent acts by individuals, (or by nation-states in most instances), Gandhi, Dr. MLK among many others have shown that peaceful resistance my the many can be a very effective way of making changes to societies.  The problem many terrorists have with is that they do not necessarily wants what is best for broader society but only control exercised by their narrow-minded selves.

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Posted: 22 January 2014 01:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Occam. - 19 January 2014 01:04 PM

One of the most annoying observations I made many years ago when I was young, was that every belief system, conservative, liberal, terrorist, etc., has at least a few positive ideas that are easily understood.  Most of them, however, also have some negative, destructive ideas, usually more complex and hidden. 

I agree that revolution should be avoided and used only as a last resort against dictatorships where the citizens have no other way of instituting change.   

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Yes, I agree, and I like motherhood and apple pie, too.

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Posted: 22 January 2014 07:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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I don’t know about that, Lois.  I liked motherhood because my mother was a great apple pie baker, but the apple pie I’ve had in the last few years has been pretty bad.  Even the obviously good things (supposedly above criticism) can be much worse than we expect.

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Posted: 23 January 2014 01:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Someone correct me if I am too naive…..terrorism these days is almost exclusively muslim initiated against non-muslim…..or crazier…shiite against sunni….wow

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Posted: 23 January 2014 04:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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It depends on how you want to define terrorism.  For example, there have been a huge number of shootings in schools, and other public areas in the U.S. in the last few years.  Very few of them have been by muslims. 

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Posted: 24 January 2014 07:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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I don’t think that you would be wise to include one off school shootings as terrorism. There has to be some component of continuity to the act of terror. Just going ‘postal’ and killing your ex-teachers for failing you in high school does not fit the definition for me. It may be terrifying and/or terrible but it does not seem right to label it as terrorism.

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Posted: 24 January 2014 09:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Wrong, I pride myself in being a wise guy.  We can’t be certain about the motivations of any killing, single or multiple.  Some of those acts like the towers may be only for revenge.  I think you have to give what you think is a thorough and complete definition of terrorism before you can argue against any action being such.

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Posted: 24 January 2014 09:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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English is a funny language…..why is a wise man and a wise guy not the same ?
I think that I would have a tough time with a rigorous definition of terrorism. I am much better at criticism than creative thought….oops did I say that out loud ?

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Posted: 24 January 2014 11:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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I can’t find the quote, but Gore Vidal had it right when he said something along the lines of “terrorism is what others are and you are not”. Point being, it’s in the eyes of the beholder and nothing more. We consider the 911 guys terrorists. But those who agree with their motives (whether we agree with them or not) consider them heroes.  The US dropped thousands of tons of napalm on innocent people in Vietnam. Is that terrorism? I’d say absolutely. And the napalm attacks killed far far more than were killed in the 911 attacks. So who’s worse? I’m sure there are some US citizens who would say with a straight face “hey it was a war against the Commies, they deserved it”.  It’s all messed up IMHO.

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Posted: 24 January 2014 01:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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CuthbertJ - 24 January 2014 11:20 AM

I can’t find the quote, but Gore Vidal had it right when he said something along the lines of “terrorism is what others are and you are not”. Point being, it’s in the eyes of the beholder and nothing more. We consider the 911 guys terrorists. But those who agree with their motives (whether we agree with them or not) consider them heroes.  The US dropped thousands of tons of napalm on innocent people in Vietnam. Is that terrorism? I’d say absolutely. And the napalm attacks killed far far more than were killed in the 911 attacks. So who’s worse? I’m sure there are some US citizens who would say with a straight face “hey it was a war against the Commies, they deserved it”.  It’s all messed up IMHO.

You’re right. It all depends on whose ox is being gored.

But some of us are against destructive acts, no matter who is behind them or why.

Lois

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Posted: 24 January 2014 01:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Occam. - 22 January 2014 07:23 PM

I don’t know about that, Lois.  I liked motherhood because my mother was a great apple pie baker, but the apple pie I’ve had in the last few years has been pretty bad.  Even the obviously good things (supposedly above criticism) can be much worse than we expect.

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I only meant that saying you are against terrorism is platitudinous, like saying you’re for motherhood and apple pie. Who isn’t? (Even if you don’t really like apple pie or even mothers, it’s symbolic.)

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Posted: 24 January 2014 03:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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sine dues - 23 January 2014 01:21 PM

Someone correct me if I am too naive…..terrorism these days is almost exclusively muslim initiated against non-muslim…..or crazier…shiite against sunni….wow

Kennedy assassination, attempt to assassinate a Pope, R. Regan, kill an abortion doctor or two;  shot a congresswomen? The problem is not religion as any type of fundamentalist belief religious, political, philosophical, etc.

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Posted: 24 January 2014 03:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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That is why I wrote..‘almost exclusively’....you give five examples out of the hundreds of acts of terror. I doubt that there is evidence that the wacko who shot Gifford had a religious/political/philosophical agenda.

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Posted: 25 January 2014 01:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Here’s the FBI’s definition. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism-definition

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