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Yale study and apathy over climate change… - why is consensus important?
Posted: 04 February 2014 07:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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oh help me ! here we go with the disaster of global climate change….how come the buzz word changed ? No more global warming….now it can do anything and you are right ...see it got cold and colder….climate change…oooh it got warmer…climate change… look how the wind blows….climate change….oh no   a tornado….climate change…..c’mon chicken littles….everything changes doesn’t it…? it must give you great pleasure to know that you are so powerful that you can change the weather….I dont think that we can…..why isnt some green eco-tard trying to sue the Indonesian govt for their sacred volcano spewing forth all of that soot and dust and….CO2….? Who is responsible for the volcanoes ? ya ya go ahead accuse me of getting paid to promote the ‘denier’ thingee…..sure…sure ...the oil company is paying me millions to go onto forums and twist all of the convenient ‘truths’....whew…big rant for the a.m.
....so if we do nothing….it will be exactly the same as the U.N. stealing the money of the producing countries and giving it to the poorer countries to waste….nothing will happen…..the planet will cool down and warm up every glacial and interglacial period….it has been doing this for a while….it will continue…..

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Posted: 04 February 2014 08:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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Your deliberate ignorance is showing, sine dues.

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Posted: 04 February 2014 08:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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DarronS - 04 February 2014 08:30 AM

Your deliberate ignorance is showing, sine dues.

Maybe his isn’t deliberate. I’m sure it isn’t.

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Posted: 04 February 2014 09:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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Hard to fathom how sd’s ignorance could be anything but deliberate. He regurgitates talking points spread by energy company funded climate denial think tanks ignoring the 97 percent of publishing climate researchers who agree mankind’s carbon emission are causing climate change. SD has posted insightful comments on other topics here, leading me to believe he is an intelligent person. He must be deliberately ignoring the peer reviewed research.

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Posted: 04 February 2014 12:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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I really don’t think he believes this blather any more than the rest of us. It appears that he is committing the same sin of inexcusable topic generation. it has to be, because no one could be that illiterate and ignorant.


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Posted: 04 February 2014 12:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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Thank-you for the speculation….it is nice to know you care….every time I open my mouth or type to a console I show off my ignorance….my main concern with ‘global warming’ (lets call it that because climate change is not really specific enough….way too wish-washy) is that is not based on hard data. It is based on models. The models are fair at describing the past. They do not have predictive power yet…..they may never with a dynamic non-linear complex system of climate on earth. I am ignorant but I am able to follow complex arguments. This global warming line of logic has many flaws…..it seems to me that the global warming ‘believers’ will not acknowledge the weakness’ of the current models…that is too bad.

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Posted: 04 February 2014 01:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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sine dues - 04 February 2014 12:47 PM

Thank-you for the speculation….it is nice to know you care….every time I open my mouth or type to a console I show off my ignorance….my main concern with ‘global warming’ (lets call it that because climate change is not really specific enough….way too wish-washy) is that is not based on hard data. It is based on models. The models are fair at describing the past. They do not have predictive power yet…..they may never with a dynamic non-linear complex system of climate on earth. I am ignorant but I am able to follow complex arguments. This global warming line of logic has many flaws…..it seems to me that the global warming ‘believers’ will not acknowledge the weakness’ of the current models…that is too bad.

Thank you for proving my point. James Hansen predicted the global warming trend in his 1988 speech before Congress, and nailed it. Thus your regurgitated denial argument falls apart.

I’m amused that you think you know more about climate science than practicing climate scientists. Climate scientists have plenty of hard data, which you choose to ignore.

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Posted: 04 February 2014 01:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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Climate science is an infant science. We know lots about physics, chemistry and biology. We know a lot less about earth systems. I do not make a claim to know more than a scientist. James Hansen is not a climate scientist. But because he says what you want to hear darron, you use him as a source. I notice that you dont quote Tim Ball…he is a climate scientist…..how about Judith Curry….she is an acclaimed climatologist. Ah ,but I sense that you will have your own personal reasons for not quoting these REAL climate scientist instead of James Hansen….....
I am glad that I at least amuse you….you are so closed minded when it comes to GLOBAL WARMING that I can’t see you learning anything from me.

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Posted: 04 February 2014 01:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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sine dues - 04 February 2014 01:30 PM

Climate science is an infant science. We know lots about physics, chemistry and biology. We know a lot less about earth systems. I do not make a claim to know more than a scientist. James Hansen is not a climate scientist. But because he says what you want to hear darron, you use him as a source. I notice that you dont quote Tim Ball…he is a climate scientist…..how about Judith Curry….she is an acclaimed climatologist. Ah ,but I sense that you will have your own personal reasons for not quoting these REAL climate scientist instead of James Hansen….....
I am glad that I at least amuse you….you are so closed minded when it comes to GLOBAL WARMING that I can’t see you learning anything from me.

James Hansen is not a climate scientist? The depth of your ignorance is amazing. Maybe you’re trying to weasel your way out and claim that retired climate scientists do not count.

As for Tim Ball and Judith Curry, they are outliers among climatologists. You are doing the equivalent of accepting a Young Earth Creationist’s opinion on evolution. The other 97 percent of actively researching climate scientists accept the evidence that mankind’s emissions are driving climate change. You chose to ignore the 97 percent and believe the outliers, then have the blind gall to accuse me of believing for personal reasons. You, sir, are the one being close minded.

I am now leaving this discussion so I can dedicate time to my school work. I am in my last semester and look forward to graduating so I can devote more time to debunking you and other people who uncritically swallow the climate denial Kool-Aid.

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Posted: 04 February 2014 02:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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......last word.

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Posted: 04 February 2014 05:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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Gosh Sine, I didn’t have to travel very far to refute your claim. See what I mean? C’mon man, don’t just talk to hear your head rattle. You know that AGW has been proven over and over again by the leading climatologists World Wide. Why sing this denial tune if not just to stir interest?


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Posted: 04 February 2014 06:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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I can’t understand why you are all so concerned that you can’t convert Sine Dues from his climate change denial.  I’m sure you’ve all seen many examples of religious fundamentalists who are completely incapable of accepting any counter-indicating facts, no matter how obvious.  Why should this denial belief be any different?

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Posted: 05 February 2014 10:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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aw but hope springs eternal

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Posted: 05 February 2014 01:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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sine dues - 04 February 2014 01:30 PM

Climate science is an infant science. We know lots about physics, chemistry and biology. We know a lot less about earth systems. I do not make a claim to know more than a scientist. James Hansen is not a climate scientist. But because he says what you want to hear darron, you use him as a source. I notice that you dont quote Tim Ball…he is a climate scientist…..how about Judith Curry….she is an acclaimed climatologist. Ah ,but I sense that you will have your own personal reasons for not quoting these REAL climate scientist instead of James Hansen….....
I am glad that I at least amuse you….you are so closed minded when it comes to GLOBAL WARMING that I can’t see you learning anything from me.


James Hansen is not a climate scientist?

James Edward Hansen (born March 29, 1941) is an American adjunct professor in the Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences at Columbia University. Hansen is best known for his research in the field of climatology, his testimony on climate change to congressional committees in 1988 that helped raise broad awareness of global warming, and his advocacy of action to avoid dangerous climate change. In recent years, Hansen has become an activist for action to mitigate the effects of climate change, which on a few occasions has led to his arrest.
After graduate school, Hansen continued his work with radiative transfer models, attempting to understand the Venusian atmosphere. Later he applied and refined these models to understand the Earth’s atmosphere, in particular, the effects that aerosols and trace gases have on Earth’s climate. Hansen’s development and use of global climate models has contributed to the further understanding of the Earth’s climate. In 2009 his first book, Storms of My Grandchildren, was published.
From 1981 to 2013, he was the head of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York City, a part of the Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland. (Wikipedia)

What would you call him, then?  What qualifications does your definition of a climate scientist have that James Hansen lacks?

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Posted: 06 February 2014 06:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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Occam. - 04 February 2014 06:46 PM

I can’t understand why you are all so concerned that you can’t convert Sine Dues from his climate change denial.  I’m sure you’ve all seen many examples of religious fundamentalists who are completely incapable of accepting any counter-indicating facts, no matter how obvious.  Why should this denial belief be any different?

Occam

Good point. I also notice SD hasn’t visited the forums since he so thoroughly embarrassed himself a couple of days ago.

James Hansen not a climate scientist? Epic fail. 25r30wi.gif

If SD ever shows up around here again he needs to come back humbled and acknowledging his bias.

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