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Posted: 13 February 2014 12:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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That’s where we disagree. I don’t think CC has blown anything out of proportion. Just wait until you see the upcoming World Cup fiasco in Brazil.

George, our society is headed toward self-destruction. The only thing most of use can about it is warn the people who are ignoring the problem and reelecting idiots such as James Inhofe (R-OK) and most of the Republicans I can name. we’re careering merrily along on an out-of-control train ride. CC isn’t blowing things out of proportion, he is telling the truth. Don’t try to give people excuses for ignoring the truth.

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Posted: 13 February 2014 01:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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DarronS - 13 February 2014 12:45 PM

George, our society is headed toward self-destruction.

Maybe. But then, maybe not. We have gone through much worse, which is practically all of our past. I see nothing at this moment that is screaming DEFCON 1. There are clearly a few candidates and GW may very well in one of them, but at this point all I am hearing sounds more like the acid rain scare that was going to destroy all the forests back in the 80s. The funny thing is that nobody wants to talk about the real danger our species is actually facing: fertility decline. We may not need to worry about the climate since there won’t be anyone left to be affected by it. First things first.

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Posted: 13 February 2014 02:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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George - 13 February 2014 01:07 PM

We have gone through much worse, which is practically all of our past. 

Yea, like when?  Show your cards.

And what about the backdrop of the condition of our planet, particularly when looked at within the context of the historic story.
Do you even know what I mean when I ask that?

George - 13 February 2014 01:07 PM

I see nothing at this moment that is screaming DEFCON 1.

An ostrich with head in sand don’t see any problems either.

Sorry george you walked into that one   tongue wink

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guess you didn’t bother with those videos or the information they offer to those who do pay attention to it.  smirk

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Posted: 13 February 2014 04:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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George - 13 February 2014 01:07 PM
DarronS - 13 February 2014 12:45 PM

George, our society is headed toward self-destruction.

Maybe. But then, maybe not. We have gone through much worse, which is practically all of our past. I see nothing at this moment that is screaming DEFCON 1. There are clearly a few candidates and GW may very well in one of them, but at this point all I am hearing sounds more like the acid rain scare that was going to destroy all the forests back in the 80s. The funny thing is that nobody wants to talk about the real danger our species is actually facing: fertility decline. We may not need to worry about the climate since there won’t be anyone left to be affected by it. First things first.

The reason Acid Rain did not kill all our forests was because the EPA stepped in to combat the causes. Ozone depletion is another instance of humans identifying an imminent problem and working together for a solution. Just because society came together and solved a problem does not mean the problem did not exist. And yes, fertility decline is a real problem, but is a red herring in a discussion about global warming. Separate problem requiring a separate solution, and also an indicator of the multiple problems our species faces in the 21st Century.

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Posted: 13 February 2014 06:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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What we’re doing now to the oceans alone has the potential to take down modern human civilization and probably a large percentage of species now on the planet, throw in everything else we do on a constant basis and the only real question that remains is how much longer we have…and I think it’s a lot less than most people are able to accept.

I agree, I don’t think CC is being alarmist, if anything he’s presenting what is a very scary and rapidly approaching future without us in clear and effective terms. IMO it’s far more responsible to do that than cheer on the oncoming collapse.

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Posted: 13 February 2014 06:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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I love the newscaster who said, a few days ago, that there was no evidence of climate change right now in the U.S. because we have had a pretty average year so far - about the normal amount of rainfall and the normal temperatures.  And he’s right, if you average the unseasonably warm dry weather in the western parts of the country with the extremely cold, wet weather we’ve had in the eastern parts of the country.  Sort of like those who point out that the average wealth of the U.S. family is four million dollars.  Ain’t statistics wonderful?  LOL

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Posted: 16 February 2014 03:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Skeptical Science has a great article on how deniers constantly use short term regression to the mean as “proof” that climate change isn’t happening, I’ll see if I can find it.

Basically it describes how the normal short term fluctuations in temperature, precipitation, ice cover and other things are cherry picked while ignoring the multi-decadal trends that clearly show that human driven climate change is underway. Ice pack in the Arctic is one key indicator and the overall volume of ice in the Arctic Ocean has decreased by about 75% in the last 30 years. Climate change deniers will take the fact that last years Arctic ice pack covered about 45% more area as the year before as proof of a cooling trend.

Here’s one on how Arctic Ice cover data is spun to back up deniers arguments.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/2013-arctic-sea-ice-prediction.html

edit- here it is.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/cherrypicking-guide.html

Cherrypicking is the practice, widespread amongst climate change contrarians, of carefully selecting particular points in the noisy short-term climate datasets and using them to show ‘trends’ that are not representative of the true situation. The huge global surface air temperature spike that accompanied the monster El Nino of 1997-98 is thus chosen as the starting point for the “no warming in 17 15 16 years” that you may read in internet comment-threads below climate stories (the number varies, apparently at random, from commentator to commentator). This year we have seen the Arctic sea-ice melting season once again reported by contrarians as a recovery, although as the graph below, from the National Snow and Ice Data Center, clearly shows, there have been a number of ‘recoveries’ in previous years too. The long-term trend, as shown by the dotted trendline, is downwards.

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Posted: 17 February 2014 11:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Occam. - 13 February 2014 06:57 PM

I love the newscaster who said, . . .

Now here’s the weather-caster I love

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmfcJP_0eMc

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Posted: 17 February 2014 11:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Occam. - 13 February 2014 06:57 PM

I love the newscaster who said, a few days ago, that there was no evidence of climate change right now in the U.S. because we have had a pretty average year so far - about the normal amount of rainfall and the normal temperatures.  And he’s right, if you average the unseasonably warm dry weather in the western parts of the country with the extremely cold, wet weather we’ve had in the eastern parts of the country.  Sort of like those who point out that the average wealth of the U.S. family is four million dollars.  Ain’t statistics wonderful?  LOL

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Or to put it another way,

Tell a farmer that his drought and flood events have averaged out and he’s doing fine. 
Or try convincing a fruit grower that the spring freak-freeze {while buds were developing}
is compensated for by the heat wave during picking season.

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Posted: 18 February 2014 06:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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These really are the Putin games.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidadesnik/2014/02/18/sochis-50-billion-vanity-games-a-reflection-of-putins-shoddy-dictatorship/

The cost of mistakes is much greater when there are no rules to hold back the man in charge. Putin insisted the Games would be held at Sochi, a palm-tree laden summer resort at the same latitude as the French resort town of Nice. The Games had to be at Sochi because Putin’s favorite ski resort, Krasnaya Polyana is in the nearby mountains. Last year, World Cup events in the Sochi mountains had to be cancelled for lack of snow. Unlike Salt Lake City, Sochi was also bereft of the infrastructure necessary to support an event of this scale.

Putin also went ahead with his pet project in spite of the proximity of the Islamist insurgency in the North Caucasus. Sochi is only 300 miles from Chechnya, about the distance from Boston to Philadelphia. It is only 185 miles from the less well-known Kabardino-Balkaria, site of 69 attacks from January through September of last year. Thankfully, there have been no incidents at the Games so far, although extreme security measures have driven up the cost and compromised the privacy of everyone attending the Games.

To limit government expenditure, Putin hoped to pass the Games’ costs on to the country’s top billionaires. Yet as the costs spiraled out of control, the state was soon using one of its own banks to loan the billionaires money to donate back to the government. It’s impossible to estimate how much costs have grown because of corruption. The owner of one construction publicly complained that he was still being harassed for additional bribes even after he had kicked back the agreed upon $50 million to a top Kremlin official. After the third Olympic chief was fired, the government opened up 27 separate criminal investigations into alleged embezzlement. Predictably, no one has been brought to trial.

The need for labor had drawn an estimated 16,000 migrant laborers to Sochi from surrounding countries. A lengthy report by Human Rights Watch recounted how many went unpaid for long periods while working 12-hour days, seven days a week, with only a day or two off per month. Dozens of workers shared a single-family home with a single bathroom. Those who complained were fired, or had their passports confiscated, or were deported. One man literally sewed his own mouth shut as a form of silent protest.

Meanwhile, Aron notes, many of Sochi’s 335,000 residents had to endure months without running water and power outages that occurred almost daily as major construction went ahead with minimal regard for local well-being. At least 2,000 families were evicted to make way for the Games. While promising the “greenest Olympics ever”, the government has shown consistent disregard to the environment. Thousands of hectares of forest were cut down in protected Sochi National Park, as well as in a nearby UNESCO World Heritage site. Predictably, critics of the despoliation are intimidated with arrests, trials, or similar abuses of power.

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Posted: 19 February 2014 05:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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The same latitude as Nice? Still, higher than Salt Lake City.  wink And although Sochi might have palm trees, nobody is actually skiing in Sochi. The easiness with which the American public can be brainwashed is simply astonishing. Though it’s nice to see both conservatives and democrats join the forces and share the same enemy for once. Ah, those Russians…

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Posted: 19 February 2014 08:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Fertility Decline?
Sounds like the perfect solution….

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Posted: 19 February 2014 08:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Yep, the final solution.

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Posted: 19 February 2014 10:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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Watching the game, anyone? My tribe vs. yours.  cheese

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Posted: 19 February 2014 12:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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Occam. - 13 February 2014 06:57 PM

I love the newscaster who said, a few days ago, that there was no evidence of climate change right now in the U.S. because we have had a pretty average year so far - about the normal amount of rainfall and the normal temperatures.  And he’s right, if you average the unseasonably warm dry weather in the western parts of the country with the extremely cold, wet weather we’ve had in the eastern parts of the country.  Sort of like those who point out that the average wealth of the U.S. family is four million dollars.  Ain’t statistics wonderful?  LOL

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If Bill Gates should drop into a Fourth Friday session, the average income of all the attendees would approach a billion dollars. 

Do you think we can kidnap him for an hour or two?

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