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Check out Meet the Press tomorrow 12/16/2014 Nye vs. GOP’s Blackburn AGW
Posted: 21 February 2014 11:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Remember, somewhere along the line this was supposed to be about learning about our planet… not a political game.

But, no instead we let Reagan convince us greed was good, and too hell with future generations?


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Posted: 22 February 2014 08:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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citizenschallenge.pm - 21 February 2014 10:58 PM

OH JEZZ THAT’S THE BEST YOU GOT


The National Snow and Ice Data Center says so:
http://nsidc.org/news/press/2013_minimum_final.html

The Smithsonian says so:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/why-is-antarcticas-sea-ice-growing-as-temperatures-rise-180947775/

National Geographic says so:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/04/130401-global-warming-antarctica-sea-ice-science-environment/#.UwjAMfk2xq0

NASA says so:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/WorldOfChange/sea_ice_south.php

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Posted: 22 February 2014 08:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Rocinante, I see you are very good at picking cherries. Why don’t you look at the overall picture?

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Posted: 23 February 2014 07:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Just because you don’t like something, doesn’t make it cherry picking.  It is an undeniable fact that the Antarctic Ice is going up despite the AGW prediction that it should have gone the opposite direction. 

The simple fact of the matter is that the debate is not over.  From 1995 to at least 2010 (and probably the present) there was no statistically-significant global warming.  That’s a fact that even big names in the AGW camp now admit. 

As a society, we should have an honest discussion on this topic.  The AGW camp has some important points that need to be put out there and addressed.  But the demagoguery of global warming by the left does not help the environment and their multiple failed predictions and sky-is-falling claims only serves to cause the public to tune them out.  And just as the AGW proponents need to be heard with some legitimate concerns of theirs, those skeptical of catastrophic AGW also have equally legitimate points.  Thus, the debate is not over.  We all need to have an honest discussion of this issue.

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Posted: 23 February 2014 07:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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We’ve been over this Antarctic ice bit before, and you are wrong. And while we’ve had no “statistically significant global warming” since 1995, the first decade of the 21st Century was the hottest decade on record. My son was boron in 1985, and every month of his life has been warmer than the historical average. That is 28.5 years of warmer than normal temperatures.

The debate is not over because people like you choose to ignore the science and cherry pick data points. Quit lying and face reality.

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Posted: 23 February 2014 07:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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DarronS - 23 February 2014 07:38 PM

Quit lying and face reality.

If people were willing to face reality, then there’d be no need for sites like this.

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Posted: 23 February 2014 08:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Look Roci, I can do this too! And use the same source you just did to uncover the opposite contention that the Antarctic is really melting. This NASA source completely refutes yours. You do know that at least 95% of climatologists agree that AGW coupled with natural temp. variations is causing this. You can’t cherrypick away the facts or offer up innuendos like Rush. It doesn’t work here.


http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/20100108_Is_Antarctica_Melting.html


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Posted: 23 February 2014 11:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Rocinante - 22 February 2014 08:31 AM
citizenschallenge.pm - 21 February 2014 10:58 PM

OH JEZZ THAT’S THE BEST YOU GOT

... list of respectable sites ...

The problem was your original source ClimateDepot, Mr. Morano’s crazy spin spot.  You won’t learn anything trust worthy about climate science over there.

What you are avoiding is that even though this

In September of last year, satellite data indicated that Antarctica was surrounded by the greatest area of sea ice ever recorded in the region: 7.51 million square miles (19.44 million square kilometers), according to the center.

is true - we are talking about seasonal freezing and melting of surface water, in part due to increased snow fall (global warming related incidentally.  Warmer ocean more evaporation…).


The really scary thing going on down there is the West Peninsula with the glaciers and warming ocean currents melting them from the bottom.  Also with loss of buttressing ice sheets glaciers will slide more rapidly.  And there is the scary part of glaciers losing their grounding-line and melting back from underwater (anchoring) ridges meaning that ocean water can get under some glacial tongues and through various dynamics increase the disintegration of ice shelves and glaciers.

There are a lot of things going on simultaneously - and they are all being observed and studied and and relatively well understood.  It’s when the ruthless politico’s such as Marc Morano get involved science and learning is the last thing they are interested in, don’t trust them.

You can read about the glaciers here:  Scientists Predict Faster Retreat for Antarctica’s Thwaites Glacier
Study Identifies Underwater Ridge Critical to Future Flow

2011-10-26
http://www.earth.columbia.edu/articles/view/2904
also
http://www.livescience.com/8374-reason-antarctic-glacier-melting-faster.html

and of course all those sources I offered you earlier at #15

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Posted: 24 February 2014 02:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Just to throw a bit of sand into the discussion - I saw an interview with Nye after the debate, and he apologized because he said “Antarctica” when he meant “the arctic”. 

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Posted: 24 February 2014 03:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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This was a topic for debate 25 years ago maybe, the only people who still claim the science is uncertain don’t really understand the science or are unable to care about the consequences. The global warming signal clearly rose above the noise in the mid 1990s, with changes in the atmospheric temperature profile, timing of the seasons, increase in extreme weather, loses in the cryosphere, ocean warming and expansion, etc, etc, etc…

What debates like this are is a clear signal of how resistant the political and economic process is to changes that will result in a profound reordering of society to make the necessary changes, basically the big winners in today’s world have no guarantee of still being on top after we make those changes and they don’t like that. So they invest millions of dollars to create “doubt” in the same way tobacco companies did for decades. This will all be resolved at some point, the science is just too sound about the serious danger we’re all putting ourselves in on relying on fossil fuels, but how far along the process will we be when effective measures at mitigation are taken.

Which makes it about how many people are going to lose their homes, livelihoods, and lives and how many species are going to go extinct when the worst aspects of climate change kick in.

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Posted: 25 February 2014 05:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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Bill may have put up the wrong picture but the results are the same, either pole. The ice is definitely melting. No matter, his opponent happily obfuscated the facts by misrepsenting EPA Gina Mcarthy’s remarks concerning change anyway. Blackburn’s contention was that even the EPA director stated that 26 goals hadn’t been met yet for climate change but Mcarthy’s statement was 26 “indicators”, not goals and she wasn’t denying AGW, she was affirming it.


http://www.factcheck.org/2014/02/blackburn-takes-on-the-science-guy/


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