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A Critical Assessment of Child Custody Evaluations: Limited Science and a Flawed System
Posted: 28 February 2014 02:02 PM   [ Ignore ]
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If you go through an acrimonious divorce/custody battle, you may find yourself being ordered by the court to pay a psychologist ~$300/hr
to do an evaluation and recommend custody arrangements.

There is absolutely zero scientific evidence to support these evaluators’ decisions. There have been no serious investigations of the outcomes of the people affected by their decisions.

http://www2.psychology.uiowa.edu/faculty/harvey/A Critical Assessment of Child Custody Evalutions - Limited Science and a Flawed System.pdf

Hope you find it interesting.

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Posted: 01 March 2014 04:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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The link doesn’t work, but I completely agree. Family law, and everything related to it should be nuked.

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Posted: 01 March 2014 08:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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It’s a huge business and we can largely thank feminism for the this whole thing. Not sure why men allowed themselves to get to this point. It’s a shame.

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Posted: 01 March 2014 10:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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George - 01 March 2014 08:21 AM

It’s a huge business and we can largely thank feminism for the this whole thing. Not sure why men allowed themselves to get to this point. It’s a shame.

I could tell you how men got to this point: A complete lack of individual responsibility, abandonment, lack of financial and moral support for their children, in short, a lack of human decency by fathers. When a social crisis unfolds, something has to be done and it will be unfair to responsible fathers.  Too many men take the attitude that the children belong to the mother and when the marriage breaks down they take off. I have seen too much of this situation where fathers do everything they can to avoid child support and involvement with their children, leaving the mothers to carry the whole burden, often while they earn far less than men for the same work and have to support a family and raise the kids single-handedly.

If you want to blame “feminism” take a look at the reasons it happened the way it did.  Too many women were oppressed, abused, abandoned and underpaid. Why wouldn’t feminism grow under such conditions? Looking for someone to blame?  Look to irresponsible men. You won’t have a hard time finding them—they are everywhere. The responsible ones are in the minority and they unfortunately get caught up in the maelstrom. When the goverment has to get involved in a social crisis, expect chaos—but it is far less chaotic than allowing the crisis to go unaddressed and get worse for the women.

If you are looking for the reason feminism found such fertile ground, look in the mirror. Most men have no one to blame but themselves. It didn’t spring up out of nothing.

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Posted: 01 March 2014 11:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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George - 01 March 2014 08:21 AM

It’s a huge business and we can largely thank feminism for the this whole thing. Not sure why men allowed themselves to get to this point. It’s a shame.

Actually a large part of it has to do with psychologists pretending like they know what’s best for everyone - in child custody it was the ‘tender years’  doctrine - and judges being happy to not have to decide.

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Posted: 01 March 2014 11:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Psychologists are doing what’s best for them: making money; not that that many of these social parasites are in fact even psychologists. Often a simple training is sufficient enough to teach the dads a lesson. I have read a quite bit about it lately and I am completely disgusted by the whole thing. Did you hear about the centres where dads get to see their children under “professional” supervision for an astronomic fee?

And no, Lois, I am not blaming anyone. Never did, never will. (Remember the free will thread?) All I am trying to do is understand the situation and the make sense of it. Why are most divorces initiated by women? Why do most of them happen into the fourth year of marriage? Could all of this have sometime to do with the decline in fertility? Why is the white race where feminism is widely spread now approaching the point extinction? You wanna blame men for all that? Well, go ahead, but I can assure that this feminist BS will not work on me. Maybe if I drove a hybrid and ate locally grown food I could become to feel all guilty about being a man, or even worse, a white man, but I really don’t see the chance of that happening anytime soon. God I hate this liberal nonsense.

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Posted: 01 March 2014 12:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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George - 01 March 2014 11:32 AM

Psychologists are doing what’s best for them: making money; not that that many of these social parasites are in fact even psychologists. Often a simple training is sufficient enough to teach the dads a lesson. I have read a quite bit about it lately and I am completely disgusted by the whole thing. Did you hear about the centres where dads get to see their children under “professional” supervision for an astronomic fee?

And no, Lois, I am not blaming anyone. Never did, never will. (Remember the free will thread?) All I am trying to do is understand the situation and the make sense of it. Why are most divorces initiated by women? Why do most of them happen into the fourth year of marriage? Could all of this have sometime to do with the decline in fertility? Why is the white race where feminism is widely spread now approaching the point extinction? You wanna blame men for all that? Well, go ahead, but I can assure that this feminist BS will not work on me. Maybe if I drove a hybrid and ate locally grown food I could become to feel all guilty about being a man, or even worse, a white man, but I really don’t see the chance of that happening anytime soon. God I hate this liberal nonsense.

Wow, you are nuts. Get a hold of yourself and the facts, you creepy bigot.

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Posted: 01 March 2014 12:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Unfortunately humans haven’t managed to develop perfection in either intelligence or ethics.  As Lois pointed out, there was a severe need for a system to help protect those who would be harmed by a break up.  That doesn’t mean the system will not have flaws in it, but it was a major improvement over the earlier allowed behavior. 

Since many people behave irrationally and/or unethically, there was need to develop a science to figure out why, to correct it if possible; to be part of judgements based on historical behavior and interviews made about the predicted behavior of the parties in disputes.  Again, because humans are flawed some psychologists can make invalid recommendations, however, that system is also better than nothing.  If either of the parents is a destructive asshole who is likely to damage the kids, they need to be evaluated so the children can be protected from them.  Someone trained to do this is more likely to make an accurate judgement than the average untrained person so psychologists are the best we have for now.

From a lifetime of observation of a great many people, it seems to me that those in greatest need of psychiatric assistance are the ones who complain about therapists the most vehemently.

And come on, George, I know that you are far too well adjusted to believe all that stuff you post, but are only trying to use reductio ad absurdum to prove the point.  LOL

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Posted: 01 March 2014 12:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Wow, that guy, doubturopath, is so far from reality that he doesn’t even recognize someone who is arguing for his points.  tongue rolleye

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Posted: 01 March 2014 12:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Occam. - 01 March 2014 12:45 PM

Wow, that guy, doubturopath, is so far from reality that he doesn’t even recognize someone who is arguing for his points.  tongue rolleye

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Posted: 01 March 2014 01:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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George - 01 March 2014 11:32 AM

Psychologists are doing what’s best for them: making money; not that that many of these social parasites are in fact even psychologists. Often a simple training is sufficient enough to teach the dads a lesson. I have read a quite bit about it lately and I am completely disgusted by the whole thing. Did you hear about the centres where dads get to see their children under “professional” supervision for an astronomic fee?

And no, Lois, I am not blaming anyone. Never did, never will. (Remember the free will thread?) All I am trying to do is understand the situation and the make sense of it. Why are most divorces initiated by women? Why do most of them happen into the fourth year of marriage? Could all of this have sometime to do with the decline in fertility? Why is the white race where feminism is widely spread now approaching the point extinction? You wanna blame men for all that? Well, go ahead, but I can assure that this feminist BS will not work on me. Maybe if I drove a hybrid and ate locally grown food I could become to feel all guilty about being a man, or even worse, a white man, but I really don’t see the chance of that happening anytime soon. God I hate this liberal nonsense.

Not blaming anyone?  Your previous post said this:

“It’s a huge business and we can largely thank feminism for the this whole thing. Not sure why men allowed themselves to get to this point. It’s a shame.”

Who was it who said “We can largely blame feminism for this whole thing.” Was it someone who hacked your email? In one post you blame it on feminism in no uncertain terms,, and in your very next post you say you are not blaming anyone,  which is it? 

And then you wondered why men “allowed themselves” to get to that point, as if they were some kind of innocent bystanders. 

I don’t blame all men for this, but there have been more than enough of them to cause a firestorm. As a man, especially one who says innocent men “allowed themselves” to be overrun by feminists, you are part of the problem even if you’ve been one of the responsible ones as far as your own children go. If you’ve done nothing to solve the problem you are part of the problem.  We’re all in this together.

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Posted: 01 March 2014 02:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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I said “thank feminists,” not “blame feminists.” You really ought to start reading more carefully. And I am doing something about it by speaking about it, no? Plus, I no longer offer a seat to women on public transportation, except for the very attractive ones—never met a 10 or a 9 who is a feminist. : )

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George - 01 March 2014 02:07 PM

I said “thank feminists,” not “blame feminists.” You really ought to start reading more carefully. And I am doing something about it by speaking about it, no? Plus, I no longer offer a seat to women on public transportation, except for the very attractive ones—never met a 10 or a 9 who is a feminist. : )

Very important distinction.
When are you gonna go extinct, by the way? Is there something we can do to get that to happen faster? Whatever it is, I support it.

Just curious, there’s a betting pool going… Could we fit 3 or 4 ugly feminists in the real estate your fat, bitter ass takes up on the bus?

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Posted: 01 March 2014 09:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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George - 01 March 2014 02:07 PM

I said “thank feminists,” not “blame feminists.” You really ought to start reading more carefully. And I am doing something about it by speaking about it, no? Plus, I no longer offer a seat to women on public transportation, except for the very attractive ones—never met a 10 or a 9 who is a feminist. : )

Oh, come on, you know very well that “thank the feminists” means “blame the feminists” when used in that context. I can’t believe you don’t know that.

As for never meeting a 10 or a 9 who is a feminist, you aren’t looking. Or you’re frequenting very odd places (Back alleys, maybe?)  By the way, are you a 9 or a 10, George? Or even a five or a six?  wink

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Posted: 02 March 2014 12:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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The OP was not about deadbeat dads; it’s about active fathers being made to pay for therapies which don’t have any scientific validity.

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Posted: 02 March 2014 02:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Lois - 01 March 2014 09:33 PM

As for never meeting a 10 or a 9 who is a feminist, you aren’t looking.
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There’s nothing to look for, it’s like searching for the Loch Ness monster. oh oh

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