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Posted: 07 March 2014 04:45 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Where I work there are several hundred employees in the building. I’ve noticed that the Asians all stick together, eat nothing but Asian food, eat together, etc. The folks from India do the same. All of them are US citizens or here on work visas, etc.  To me there’s something racist about this but I can’t put my finger on it. Maybe I’m just comparing to myself. If I were to move to a foreign country I would do my best to assimilate to my new home country. I wouldn’t constantly eat hot dogs and McD’s and so on. And I’d want to become a part of the local culture, not surround myself with a “little America”.  Thoughts?

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Posted: 08 March 2014 01:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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I view racism as being, in large part, a product of naturally evolved tendencies.  Also, I view it as existing in each of us along a spectrum.  We all have at least a little bit.  But I think that, definitely, putting one’s self in a position to interact with, and experience what persons of other races experience, can help one to be on the lower end of the spectrum.

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Posted: 08 March 2014 02:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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It can be considered racist from a certain angle, like anything can. It’s probably not worth getting too concerned over it, unless it interferes with workplace “harmony”.

Whether we like or not, people will gravitate towards their own.

In modern America, they are mostly free to be themselves without harm. If you lived in any of their countries of origin, in would not be that way!

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Posted: 08 March 2014 07:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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You might as well accuse all of us here of being sexists since we are all men—except for Lois who I think might be a woman.

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Posted: 08 March 2014 08:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Where I work there are several hundred employees in the building. I’ve noticed that the Asians all stick together, eat nothing but Asian food, eat together, etc. The folks from India do the same. All of them are US citizens or here on work visas, etc.  To me there’s something racist about this but I can’t put my finger on it. Maybe I’m just comparing to myself. If I were to move to a foreign country I would do my best to assimilate to my new home country. I wouldn’t constantly eat hot dogs and McD’s and so on. And I’d want to become a part of the local culture, not surround myself with a “little America”.  Thoughts?

Have you ever seen American tourists in a foreign country Cuth? The first thing they look for IS a McDonalds, that and a church. Try this with your Asian colleagues, walk over, introduce yourself and ask them where they got their Asian food. There are many reasons why they, hell, all of us pretty much stick together at first, eg. The ghettoes of NY, then after two generations assimilation begins and pretty soon only the surname is left. of course there are cultural and genetic reasons too.


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Posted: 08 March 2014 12:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Hey Cuthbert,

No, it’s not racism. It’s being human. Cap’t Jack said it well.

I work with a guy from Vietnam who’s been in this country since he was in High School. He’s still not comfy with hanging out to BBQ or stuff like that. Some people, maybe ethnic groups, they simply are like that. Doesn’t mean anything “racist”, it’s just a certain comfort zone. There are certain views expressed and jokes made in our culture that are not understood by others, hence making them feel uncomfy. – I take South Korea or Japan as an example. I’ve never been to either place, would like to visit them both, but assimilate to their cultures I don’t think I could. They are so far off my chart, at least from what I know, no way!

I still like Catp’t Jack’s ghetto analogy. Same thing. It takes time. No racism.

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Posted: 08 March 2014 12:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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I would not call such behavior racist. I would call that “communal” preference.

IMO racism has to do with not respecting someone’s humanity and the same inherent rights as your rights because of a perceived superiority.

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Posted: 08 March 2014 01:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Yeah, George.  I was going to include Michelle, but she beat me to it. and I’ve met both Asanta and Lois and can assure you they are both very bright, enjoyable women.  smile

However, I do agree with your argument.

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Posted: 08 March 2014 01:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Occam. - 08 March 2014 01:34 PM

Yeah, George.  I was going to include Michelle, but she beat me to it. and I’ve met both Asanta and Lois and can assure you they are both very bright, enjoyable women.  smile

However, I do agree with your argument.

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I don’t. It is my experience that wherever women congregate, men are sure to join the group (or at least try to). No prejudices there.

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Posted: 08 March 2014 01:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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You’re right W4U, but the guys who do are usually the unaware jerks LOL , and the women do everything they can to avoid integrating them into the group. 

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Posted: 08 March 2014 02:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Women need time on their own, without men, to establish the hierarchy of their physical attractiveness so that when men do join them the whole thing becomes a smoother process. (Men do the same thing when they go out and spend most of the time testing their social status by trying to sound funny, rich, smart, etc.) I once witnessed a bridal shower as the only man present (as a “photographer”) and the whole thing was simply unbelievable. I should write a short story about it one day.  grin

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Posted: 08 March 2014 02:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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I actually thought I was much smarter before joining this forum. smile

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Posted: 08 March 2014 03:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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I think that’s the case with many of us here, George.  This forum seems to attract and keep people who think and write well so when we’re among people who are significantly above average in those skills, we don’t see the differences we do when we are in the general population.  However, that’s not always the case.  There seem to be some here who knew they were extremely superior before and see no difference in their “ranking” now.  LOL

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Posted: 08 March 2014 03:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Yep. cheese

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Posted: 08 March 2014 06:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Occam. - 08 March 2014 01:34 PM

Yeah, George.  I was going to include Michelle, but she beat me to it. and I’ve met both Asanta and Lois and can assure you they are both very bright, enjoyable women.  smile

However, I do agree with your argument.

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And I hope Beth will stick around also. She is an intelligent person and once she gets her bearings, I am confident she can contribute in a significant way.

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Posted: 08 March 2014 08:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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I wonder why there are not more women on the forum.  Surely there are as many women who think and write well.  Maybe it’s the confrontational orientation, that ususally pervades the discussions, that keeps them away.  Or maybe they have better things to do.

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