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Posted: 14 March 2014 09:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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advocatus - 14 March 2014 08:39 AM

I loved it!  Mainly for the scenes of the “spaceship of the imagination” soaring through the solar system.  I didn’t like the animation, but I was a bit surprised at the story of Giordano Bruno.  After hearing about him half my life held up as a martyr to free thought, I expected him to be, if not a “scientist”, at least a serious scholar.  The animation made him sound like just another crackpot who saw visions!  Sure that was still no reason to burn him at the stake, but it doesn’t make him a hero in my book.

From my limited reading about Bruno I still would think of him as a hero. It seems to me that unlike Copernicus and Galileo, Bruno was more of a philosopher. I get the impression that he had some revolutionary ideas although he did not have the science and the math to back them up like Galileo. despite that he felt strongly that his ideas made sense and he stood his ground even in the face of a death sentence. You have to give him a a lot of credit for having the integrity to go to the grave for what he believed in. Patrick Henry said “give me liberty or give me death” but Bruno actually accepted death rather than surrender his freedom to speak what he believed. How on earth can we not see that as heroic.

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Posted: 14 March 2014 10:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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George - 10 March 2014 06:32 AM

The soundtrack was just horrible and the whole episode didn’t do much for me at all. Having Obama to introduce the series was cool, though. What did you think?

Funny. I friend of mine said the exact opposite. Music was awesome, but having Obama introduce the series was an insult seeing as how he’s continued the gutting of NASA.

“As a federal agency, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) receives its funding from the annual federal budget passed by the United States Congress.”

The President has very little to do with it. All he could have done was veto the budget, which would not have added a penny to the NASA appropriations.

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I didn’t say my friend was right wink  Though I don’t think Obama has been exactly space-friendly.

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Posted: 14 March 2014 11:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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CuthbertJ - 14 March 2014 10:34 AM
Lois - 13 March 2014 10:13 AM
CuthbertJ - 13 March 2014 09:55 AM
George - 10 March 2014 06:32 AM

The soundtrack was just horrible and the whole episode didn’t do much for me at all. Having Obama to introduce the series was cool, though. What did you think?

Funny. I friend of mine said the exact opposite. Music was awesome, but having Obama introduce the series was an insult seeing as how he’s continued the gutting of NASA.

“As a federal agency, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) receives its funding from the annual federal budget passed by the United States Congress.”

The President has very little to do with it. All he could have done was veto the budget, which would not have added a penny to the NASA appropriations.

Lois

I didn’t say my friend was right wink  Though I don’t think Obama has been exactly space-friendly.

Maybe he has other things on his mind.

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Posted: 16 March 2014 07:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Cosmos, episode 2: okay, that was a lot worse than last week. I think this might be the end of the journey for us. They really thought it would work to cover natural selection, artificial selection, evolution of the dog and eye, and extinction (did I forget anything?) in one hour? Well, forty minutes actually, as commercial take up around twenty minutes of one episode. My kids had no idea what was going on and I was bored to death. Who is the intended audience here?

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Posted: 17 March 2014 06:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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macgyver - 12 March 2014 06:26 PM

I was just reading about Giordano Bruno. I find it incomprehensible what a difficult time the catholic church has learning from its own mistakes. They have formally expressed regret about the way Galileo was treated but to this day they have continued to defend their imprisonment, torture and murder of Giordano Bruno. I find it hard to come up with words to describe how insane that is.

It’s what theistic religion does. It’s done worse, too.

Lois

I agree but its just mind boggling that almost 500 years later a supposedly more enlightened church is still unable to admit that burning people at the stake because they disagree with you is not a very nice thing to do. Sex out of wedlock is a sin but burning people at the stake is just another day at the office to them.

Making sense has never been the church’s strong point.

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Posted: 18 March 2014 12:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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I thought the scond episode worked better than the first. Still not crazy about the cartoon animation style, but I think that may be a generational thing. wink

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Posted: 18 March 2014 05:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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And let the butthurt begin!

If you think the first episode of the new Fox Cosmos series was controversial (with its relatively minor mentions of climate change, evolution and the Big Bang), Sunday night’s show threw down the gauntlet. Pretty much the entire episode was devoted to the topic of evolution, and the vast profusion of evidence (especially genetic evidence) showing that it is indeed the explanation behind all life on Earth. At one point, host Neil deGrasse Tyson stated it as plainly as you possibly can: “The theory of evolution, like the theory of gravity, is a scientific fact.” (You can watch the full episode here.)

Not surprisingly, those who deny the theory of evolution were not happy with this. Indeed, the science denial crowd hasn’t been happy with Cosmos in general. Here are some principal lines of attack:

Denying the Big Bang: In the first episode of Cosmos, titled “Standing Up in the Milky Way,” Tyson dons shades just before witnessing the Big Bang. You know, the start of everything. Some creationists, though, don’t like the Big Bang; at Ken Ham’s Answers in Genesis, a critique of Cosmos asserts that “the big bang model is unable to explain many scientific observations, but this is of course not mentioned.”

Alas, this creationist critique seems very poorly timed: A major new scientific discovery, just described in detail in the New York Times, has now provided “smoking gun” evidence for “inflation,” a crucial component of our understanding of the stunning happenings just after the Big Bang. Using a special telescope to examine the cosmic microwave background radiation (which has been dubbed the “afterglow” of the Big Bang), researchers at the South Pole detected “direct evidence” of the previously theoretical gravitational waves that are believed to have originated in the Big Bang and caused an incredibly sudden and dramatic inflation of the universe.

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Posted: 19 March 2014 04:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Coldheart Tucker - 18 March 2014 05:30 PM

And let the butthurt begin!

If you think the first episode of the new Fox Cosmos series was controversial (with its relatively minor mentions of climate change, evolution and the Big Bang), Sunday night’s show threw down the gauntlet. Pretty much the entire episode was devoted to the topic of evolution, and the vast profusion of evidence (especially genetic evidence) showing that it is indeed the explanation behind all life on Earth. At one point, host Neil deGrasse Tyson stated it as plainly as you possibly can: “The theory of evolution, like the theory of gravity, is a scientific fact.” (You can watch the full episode here.)

Not surprisingly, those who deny the theory of evolution were not happy with this. Indeed, the science denial crowd hasn’t been happy with Cosmos in general. Here are some principal lines of attack:

Denying the Big Bang: In the first episode of Cosmos, titled “Standing Up in the Milky Way,” Tyson dons shades just before witnessing the Big Bang. You know, the start of everything. Some creationists, though, don’t like the Big Bang; at Ken Ham’s Answers in Genesis, a critique of Cosmos asserts that “the big bang model is unable to explain many scientific observations, but this is of course not mentioned.”

Alas, this creationist critique seems very poorly timed: A major new scientific discovery, just described in detail in the New York Times, has now provided “smoking gun” evidence for “inflation,” a crucial component of our understanding of the stunning happenings just after the Big Bang. Using a special telescope to examine the cosmic microwave background radiation (which has been dubbed the “afterglow” of the Big Bang), researchers at the South Pole detected “direct evidence” of the previously theoretical gravitational waves that are believed to have originated in the Big Bang and caused an incredibly sudden and dramatic inflation of the universe.

“Some creationists, though, don’t like the Big Bang; at Ken Ham’s Answers in Genesis, a critique of Cosmos asserts that ‘the big bang model is unable to explain many scientific observations, but this is of course not mentioned’.”

Yessiree, unlike creationist accounts that have answers for everything.

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Posted: 19 March 2014 07:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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macgyver - 14 March 2014 09:56 AM

From my limited reading about Bruno I still would think of him as a hero. It seems to me that unlike Copernicus and Galileo, Bruno was more of a philosopher. I get the impression that he had some revolutionary ideas although he did not have the science and the math to back them up like Galileo. despite that he felt strongly that his ideas made sense and he stood his ground even in the face of a death sentence.

I’ve been reading up on him some more since then, too.  I’m just saying the animation made him look a little like a crackpot.

I liked the second episode, too.  I don’t think they tried to do too much.  Sure this was all basic stuff to us, but to most people (especially here in the South) natural selection just isn’t talked about in polite company.  I saw in on the National Geographic Channel.  I wonder what Fox did… delete the entire episode?  smile

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Posted: 21 March 2014 02:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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How much butthurt can Creationists take?

The Creationist group Answers In Genesis, which was already incensed about Neil deGrasse Tyson’s revival of Cosmos, is now complaining that the show lacks scientific balance because it fails to provide airtime for evolution deniers.

Danny Faulkner of Answers In Genesis and the Creation Museum appeared on The Janet Mefferd Show yesterday to criticize Cosmos for not providing airtime for Creationism adherents. When Mefferd asked if Cosmos will “ever give a Creationist any time,” Faulkner responded by lamenting that “Creationists aren’t even on the radar screen for them, they wouldn’t even consider us plausible at all.” Mefferd agreed that the show isn’t being very fair and balanced: “Boy, but when you have so many scientists who simply do not accept Darwinian evolution it seems to me that that might be something to throw in there, you know, the old, ‘some scientists say this, others disagree and think this,’ but that’s not even allowed.”

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Posted: 24 March 2014 07:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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Gosh, you reckon we should complain until the Creationist museum gives equal time to evolution?

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Posted: 24 March 2014 12:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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The cartoons must stop.  It’s impossible to take this Cosmos seriously when they keep popping up.  They must feel their audience requires such mummery.

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Posted: 24 March 2014 12:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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advocatus - 24 March 2014 07:22 AM

Gosh, you reckon we should complain until the Creationist museum gives equal time to evolution?

Excellent point. I love it.

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Posted: 24 March 2014 05:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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ciceronianus - 24 March 2014 12:19 PM

The cartoons must stop.  It’s impossible to take this Cosmos seriously when they keep popping up.  They must feel their audience requires such mummery.

Its probably cheaper than hiring reenactors to do the segments and it also allows them to indulge the vanity of various people.  The producer, Seth MacFarlane, has done the voice for several characters (he was Bruno in the first episode), and he’s gotten a number of big name voice over actors to work on other episodes (as well as Cary Elwes of Princess Bride fame) to lend their talents to the episodes.  No doubt he could have gotten some big name stars to work for scale (Kirsten Dundst probably would have done it since she grew up with Sagan’s kids) in live action reenactments, but then you’d have the distraction of people saying, “Hey!  That’s what’s his name!” and not catching what the piece was about.

Remember, anyone old enough to have seen the original Cosmos in its first airing is not the target demographic for this series.  Its for everyone born after that date.  They’re more likely to be receptive to the cartoons than older folks.

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Posted: 25 March 2014 07:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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ciceronianus - 24 March 2014 12:19 PM

The cartoons must stop.  It’s impossible to take this Cosmos seriously when they keep popping up.  They must feel their audience requires such mummery.

Huh. I noticed the slightly stickish movements in the first week, but I got over it. This week, I was a minute into the animation when I suddenly thought, “hey, this is animation”.

When I was a kid, we used to laugh at Japanese special effects, later we marveled at how real special effects became, now people look at something the actual Northern Lights and compare it to a Star Wars scene. I think we’ve become lazy with the use of our imagination and instead critique things as not “real looking” enough.

Great episode BTW. The birth of science is my favorite subject. The baby waking up in the universe was a great analogy.

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