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Belief in Medical Conspiracy Theories
Posted: 22 March 2014 07:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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Brennan I agree completely and you are correct,
the devil is certainly in the details. It’s a difficult problem to solve and unfortunately most of our leaders have neither the motivation or the necessary understanding of the problem to solve it I’m afraid.

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Posted: 22 March 2014 10:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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Occam. - 22 March 2014 06:31 PM

Quoting Lois:

Does anyone here think the farmer is acting unethically or immorally?

  Unfortunately, no since financial laws, our citizen protection government departments, and our educational system allow it. 

In our economic system the farmer’s goal is to maximize his profit, not allow himself to go broke while other farmers collect more profit. 

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It sounds as if you are saying that if there are no financial laws against it and citizen protection government departments and our educational system allow it,  that anything goes. Not sure there isn’t something dangerous to society in that philosophy.

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Posted: 23 March 2014 07:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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I think there are some interesting parallels to some of the points here.
Mainly farmers and pharmaceutical industry.

Both of these industries have one thing in common. They both provide essential living products. Food and medicine.
Food stamps are directly related to the USDA and the Farmer. Medicine is directly related to large profit oriented corporations and the FDA.

Both have their own separate political issues. But both are being beset by Right wing capitalist forces which directly or inadvertently
want to make access to food or medicine more difficult.(especially for the poor)

I bet we can find examples of nations or civilizations that solved the problem of food and medicine for it’s people that go back hundreds if not thousands of years. Let alone in the 20th(21st) Century.

How is it that the US, the wealthiest nation in the world cannot provide smoothly, without harassment, delay, undue obstacles or stress
food and medicine for all of it’s citizens?  Food and Medicine! 

If the extreme capitalists and right wingers wish to maximize profits for glow in the dark squirt guns or yachts or candy bars- I get it.
But food and medicine?

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Posted: 23 March 2014 10:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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As an odd coincidence but right on que, here is a development that partly addresses one of the issue Mckenzie brought up above.

http://www.popsci.com/article/science/stanford-university-open-center-studying-bad-science?dom=PSC&loc=topstories&con=stanford-university-to-open-a-center-for-studying-bad-science

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Posted: 23 March 2014 01:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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Quoting Lois:

It sounds as if you are saying that if there are no financial laws against it and citizen protection government departments and our educational system allow it,  that anything goes. Not sure there isn’t something dangerous to society in that philosophy.

  Not quite.
1. We had stong financial laws, but in the last few decades much of their power has been stripped by guess which administrations.
2. Our administrations have managed to put the worst people over government citizens protection departments.  It’s insane to put a a petroleum lobbyist over environmental protection, to put drug company executives over the FDA, etc.  Most of the citizens protection departments have been weakened to the point of paralysis by putting the people who are most against them in charge of them.

3. Similarly, our educational system has been emasculated by defunding, and imposing crackpot requirements on them.  Most of the kids today are learning less about the functioning of gobernment, and the reasons to be involved than they did in the past.

4.  Morality isn’t separate from the human group.  We, as humanists, believe in helping each other out, and fainess.  The Rand Paul and Tea Party types see that is silly.  The job is to win, and if that means screwing everyone else, so be it.  So, according to us the farmer is immoral, but according to him, his job is to compete and make a profit and it would be immoral for him to let his competitors win.

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