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Is Photography really an art form?
Posted: 30 June 2014 03:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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Cuthbert, I applaud your tenacity here. I get your points. However I’m neutral here.
In fact I would recognize that photography when viewed or presented as art-is art.
In fact I have seen many photographers and photos which I personally would call art.

But I get all of your points. Unfortunately you have fallen into the age old argument…
“What is art?” 
There’s no objective viewpoint there.
Plus, out of respect for the very thing itself(because it’s art, and important for life), we must defer to the one or the many who portray
it as art.
What good does proclaiming something as “non-art” achieve? Nothing. It’s all taste.

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Posted: 30 June 2014 03:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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DarronS - 30 June 2014 12:12 PM

This could have been an interesting thread, but Cuthbert’s stubbornness has ruined any chance for meaningful discussion.

Hey Foto, I’ll get you back on the topic. I know it’s your passion.
I love any photos of urban scenes or factory scenes from 1890-1980. All of ‘em.
They are truly art to me. Especially the ones that were done as art, so to speak.
They take me back and really move me.
I know there’s a bunch of artists who did this kind of photography, I’ve seen lot’s of their works.
I just can’t remember their names right now.

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Posted: 30 June 2014 11:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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Go back and read Cuthbert’s post. He made a clear distinction between film and digital photography, calling digital photography nothing more than a “point and click” exercise, thus exposing his unfamiliarity with what it takes to make a good photograph. He said he “would love to hear” our opinions, but has avoided discussing anything that refutes his opinion. If you want to discuss what makes an artistic photograph I’d love to have that discussion. I used some of my photos as examples because I own the copyright and can post them where I wish. Perhaps I should post links to some excellent photographers who use digital cameras.

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Posted: 01 July 2014 07:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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DarronS - 27 June 2014 07:16 PM

What Mac said. If you think differently I challenge to come out shooting with me sometime. Hacks get lucky once in a while; artists see the final result before taking the photo.

Has digital photography changed the probability of hacks getting lucky along with digital post-processing?

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Posted: 01 July 2014 08:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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No, but it has increased the number of hacks who take bad photos then oversaturate them in post-processing trying to make up for poor lighting in the original.

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Posted: 01 July 2014 10:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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CuthbertJ - 26 June 2014 11:27 AM

I’ve always thought the answer was No, it isn’t an art. In the olden days maybe you’d have to master some techniques to actually produce the pictures, but with digital cameras that’s pretty much gone. I’m sorry, but to me it just seems like it’s a matter of point and click. And to make things “artsy” you use black and white, and maybe throw the main subject off center. I’m sure many will disagree, and I’d love to hear your opinions.

I think photography “can” be art but often isn’t.

Art is not about the subject or the medium, it’s about the human expression of emotion and the human reception of that expression. Sometimes a rose is just a rose and sometimes it’s the freaking Mona Lisa.

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Anything can be seen as art, but often isn’t.  The only way for this discussion to have any meaning is for Cuthbert to say, unequivocally, what he thinks art is. Then we can either agree or disagree. Meanwhile, we have no idea what his parameters are or what he’s talking about.

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Posted: 01 July 2014 10:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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In a nutshell, art is human communication.  If a work of art communicates something meaningful to another person, it’s art. No one can determine whether his own efforts amount to art.  Art is in the eye of the beholder. No beholder, no art.

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Posted: 01 July 2014 06:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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I might add, no communication, no art.

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Posted: 02 July 2014 01:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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Occam. - 01 July 2014 06:08 PM

I might add, no communication, no art.

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Posted: 29 March 2015 07:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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“Art” is a product of an “Artist” regardless of the medium.

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Posted: 30 March 2015 07:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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“Art” is a product of an “Artist” regardless of the medium.

some is good, lots is mediocre, then once in a while something comes around that grabs you by the proverbial throat, that’s “A"rt   tongue rolleye

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Posted: 30 March 2015 08:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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“Art” is a product of an “Artist” regardless of the medium.

some is good, lots is mediocre, then once in a while something comes around that grabs you by the proverbial throat, that’s “A"rt   tongue rolleye

True, but I was making no comment about the quality of the product, just the medium. 

FYI, my daughter is a photographer and even when she was attending college (2001 - 2005), there were remnants of the idea that photography was not really art.

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Posted: 30 March 2015 11:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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CuthbertJ - 26 June 2014 11:27 AM

I’ve always thought the answer was No, it isn’t an art. In the olden days maybe you’d have to master some techniques to actually produce the pictures, but with digital cameras that’s pretty much gone. I’m sorry, but to me it just seems like it’s a matter of point and click. And to make things “artsy” you use black and white, and maybe throw the main subject off center. I’m sure many will disagree, and I’d love to hear your opinions.

I think photography “can” be art but often isn’t.

Art is not about the subject or the medium, it’s about the human expression of emotion and the human reception of that expression. Sometimes a rose is just a rose and sometimes it’s the freaking Mona Lisa.

MzLee

You could say that about all art. There are plenty of examples out there of bad art art by any intelligent standard. But that doesn’t affect what IS good art to most people. There are billions of photographs that would not qualify as art, but there is a limited number of photographs that do.  The ability of rank amateurs to engage in the practice does not affect true art.

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Posted: 30 March 2015 11:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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“Art” is a product of an “Artist” regardless of the medium.

some is good, lots is mediocre, then once in a while something comes around that grabs you by the proverbial throat, that’s “A"rt   tongue rolleye

True, but I was making no comment about the quality of the product, just the medium. 

FYI, my daughter is a photographer and even when she was attending college (2001 - 2005), there were remnants of the idea that photography was not really art.

Anyone can have an opinion. It doesn’t mean that opinion makes any sense to most other people. The fact that there were “remnants of the idea that phoyography was not really art” in those years means nothing. The world is littered with remnants of ideas and opinions and always will be.

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Posted: 30 March 2015 09:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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Yea art is all over the place - and photograph is surely an art form.

totally jump to left field here,
Last summer I got to spend a bunch of time working on taking out an old dilapidated fence, but it still had corners and wood posts and cross bracing wires in OK shape here and there and the owner didn’t want all of it out.  She wanted to keep a little of the old ambiance.  So let me decide what to tear out and what sections to keep and fix up and make nice looking, though they didn’t hold anything in or out anymore.  Basically turning what was a working fence line into various pieces of rustic “art”.  It was another fun time in paradise musing on the flow of time and all (noticing more about this ranch and what a cool but hard place it must have once been, back when it was alive and working) and the “what is art” question that’s always fun, specially when you are surround by it.

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