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Precision in Nature: Evidence of God or Accidents?
Posted: 13 August 2014 05:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 91 ]
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LoisL - 13 August 2014 04:40 PM
MzLee - 13 August 2014 03:15 PM
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LoisL - 11 August 2014 10:55 PM

That’s ok. i know how hard it is to make an intelligent argument against determinism.

Lois

You should really put a smiley face after statements like that.

The smiley face is in my signature.  tongue rolleye

Lois

You know that’s not a smile, he’s sticking his tongue out.

tongue wink

He’s smiling with his tongue out!

 

Anyway, they’re all called smileys, even the ones that are scowling.  angry 

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LMAO….  LOL

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Posted: 13 August 2014 06:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 92 ]
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Of course there are many stories of floods, there have been many floods from well before the appearance of modern humans. These great natural events are memorized by the organism’s individuals as well as collectively.

It has been proven that even the BRAINLESS slimemould learns from repetition and can anticipate a potential problem, in addition to acting intelligently in many ways, but without a brain at all.
See below for example of the slime mould anticipating a cold spell from experience.

Another set of experiments suggests that slime molds navigate time as well as space, using a rudimentary internal clock to anticipate and prepare for future changes in their environments. Tetsu Saigusa of Hokkaido University and his colleagues—including Nakagaki—placed a polycephalum in a kind of groove in an agar plate stored in a warm and moist environment (slime molds thrive in high humidity). The slime mold crawled along the groove. Every 30 minutes, however, the scientists suddenly dropped the temperature and decreased the humidity, subjecting the polycephalum to unfavorably dry conditions. The slime mold instinctively began to crawl more slowly, saving its energy. After a few trials, Saigusa and his colleagues stopped changing the slime mold’s environment, but every 30 minutes the amoeba’s pace slowed anyway. Eventually it stopped slowing down spontaneously.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/brainless-slime-molds/

As to ID, I don’t think that anyone would adopt the explanation of simple duplication. (“It just cannot be as simple as that)!  Actually yes, this aweinspiring complexity we see in the universe is the result of simple natural mathematical functions and processes.

Before the appearance of male and female reproductive functions, many older organisms tried the method of simple duplication for procreation, but it led to less variety and made the organisms more vilnerable to extinction. A few survivors are the fern, and some single celled organisms.
See below of an example of such a system;

For starters: if the Borg and the Clone Wars had a baby it would be a pyrosome. One long pyrosomes is actually a collection of thousands of clones, with each individual capable of copying itself and adding to the colony. And like members of the Borg, which are mentally connected, pyrosome members are physically connected– actually sharing tissues.

http://deepseanews.com/2013/08/the-60-foot-long-jet-powered-animal-youve-probably-never-heard-of/

The universe is fractal, which is the simplest possible duplicating function. Fractals are everywhere!!!  Do a little reading on the subject and it becomes readily apparent that exquisite beauty and majesty can be achieved by a set of simple triangles.  Ain’t that GRAND?  But It ain’t a biblical god.
The appearance of apparent order was not accidental at all, it was an INEVITABLE outcome from the laws of physics, chemistry, and spatial shapes and Energy.

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Posted: 14 August 2014 04:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 93 ]
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Write4U - 13 August 2014 06:56 PM

It has been proven that even the BRAINLESS slimemould learns from repetition and can anticipate a potential problem, in addition to acting intelligently in many ways, but without a brain at all.
See below for example of the slime mould anticipating a cold spell from experience.

Hey, Write, we had that already.

The most you can say is that theoretically one could base an intelligent system on such optimisation algorithms. But it is like neurons: neurons are not intelligent, but they can work together in highly complicated structures like the brain, that is intelligent.

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Posted: 14 August 2014 07:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 94 ]
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Lois and Lausten,

It is pretty clear where the ID movement comes from.

See the Wedge Strategy.

See also the timeline of intelligent design.

One of the funniest events described, is of how a creationist school book was changed into an intelligent design book:

1987 In a new draft of Pandas [and People], approximately 150 uses of the root word “creation”, such as “creationism” and “creationist”, were systematically changed to refer to intelligent design, with “creationists” being changed to “design proponents” or, in one instance, “cdesign proponentsists”.

See also here:

Example of earlier creationist edition (emphasis added):

Creation means that the various forms of life began abruptly through the agency of an intelligent creator with their distinctive features already intact. Fish with fins and scales, birds with feathers, beaks, and wings, etc.”

Example of new Improved Intelligent Design edition (emphasis added):

Intelligent design means that various forms of life began abruptly through an intelligent agency, with their distinctive features already intact. Fish with fins and scales, birds with feathers, beaks, wings, etc.”

This evidence and things like the Wedge Document helped lead John E. Jones III to his verdict that intelligent design was the same as creationism and that the ID movement was a subversive attempt to inject creationism into the classroom.

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Posted: 14 August 2014 10:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 95 ]
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GdB - 14 August 2014 07:32 AM

Lois and Lausten,

It is pretty clear where the ID movement comes from.

See the Wedge Strategy.

See also the timeline of intelligent design.

One of the funniest events described, is of how a creationist school book was changed into an intelligent design book:

1987 In a new draft of Pandas [and People], approximately 150 uses of the root word “creation”, such as “creationism” and “creationist”, were systematically changed to refer to intelligent design, with “creationists” being changed to “design proponents” or, in one instance, “cdesign proponentsists”.

See also here:

Example of earlier creationist edition (emphasis added):

Creation means that the various forms of life began abruptly through the agency of an intelligent creator with their distinctive features already intact. Fish with fins and scales, birds with feathers, beaks, and wings, etc.”

Example of new Improved Intelligent Design edition (emphasis added):

Intelligent design means that various forms of life began abruptly through an intelligent agency, with their distinctive features already intact. Fish with fins and scales, birds with feathers, beaks, wings, etc.”

This evidence and things like the Wedge Document helped lead John E. Jones III to his verdict that intelligent design was the same as creationism and that the ID movement was a subversive attempt to inject creationism into the classroom.

Good links.

Lois

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Posted: 16 August 2014 12:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 96 ]
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From a show (Wander Over Yonder) my kids watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyf-W0_yH1A

Take care,

Derek

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