The Sturm und Drang Movement
Posted: 19 October 2014 11:13 PM   [ Ignore ]
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GdB {since your from Switzerland and seem to know these things}, or others,

In looking for something nice to end the day with I came across this and since I know little about Goethe,
but have known about the man and his importance since foureeva, I tuned in with interest.

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832)
uploaded by pangeaprogressredux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1yvWX4BOc8
Published on Jul 13, 2013
http://www.iep.utm.edu/goethe/

Well I though I was putting myself to bed with a nice biography, then all of a sudden they are talking about the Sturm und Drang “movement”,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1yvWX4BOc8&t=5m00s
U turn and here I am back at the computer/communicator thinking what the hey is all that about?
That damned cosmos forcing me again, I guess.

You see I grew up bilingual from babyhood, German actually being my first, in house, language, then came the English, so I’m quite familiar with Sturm und Drang definition wise and relate to it rather well I fancy.  But I never realized there was once a “Sturm und Drang Movement” in the eighteen (or any other) century.

I’m guessing you know about that.  What was that about?  Have anything to share?

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citizenschallenge.pm - 19 October 2014 11:13 PM

GdB {since your from Switzerland and seem to know these things}, or others,

In looking for something nice to end the day with I came across this and since I know little about Goethe,
but have known about the man and his importance since foureeva, I tuned in with interest.

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832)
uploaded by pangeaprogressredux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1yvWX4BOc8
Published on Jul 13, 2013
http://www.iep.utm.edu/goethe/

Well I though I was putting myself to bed with a nice biography, then all of a sudden they are talking about the Sturm und Drang “movement”,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1yvWX4BOc8&t=5m00s
U turn and here I am back at the computer/communicator thinking what the hey is all that about?
That damned cosmos forcing me again, I guess.

 

You see I grew up bilingual from babyhood, German actually being my first, in house, language, then came the English, so I’m quite familiar with Sturm und Drang definition wise and relate to it rather well I fancy.  But I never realized there was once a “Sturm und Drang Movement” in the eighteen (or any other) century.

I’m guessing you know about that.  What was that about?  Have anything to share?

 

There has been a “sturm und drang” movement since the beginning of organized religion. It’s by no means new, and the concept translates to all languages.

Lois

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Posted: 21 October 2014 06:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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LoisL - 20 October 2014 02:47 PM

There has been a “sturm und drang” movement since the beginning of organized religion. It’s by no means new, and the concept translates to all languages.

Lois

Really, what do you mean, where, what, how… any details.

I never said nothing about new,
that’s easy for a non-German to assume, but . . .

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citizenschallenge.pm - 21 October 2014 06:27 AM
LoisL - 20 October 2014 02:47 PM

There has been a “sturm und drang” movement since the beginning of organized religion. It’s by no means new, and the concept translates to all languages.

Lois

Really, what do you mean, where, what, how… any details.

I never said nothing about new,
that’s easy for a non-German to assume, but . . .


You did say, “But I never realized there was once a “Sturm und Drang Movement” in the eighteen (or any other) century.”

If there wasn’t one in the “eighteenth or any other century”, if it exists now it must be new, wouldn’t you say?

Perhaps that’s a difficult concept for a German to assume! wink

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Posted: 21 October 2014 06:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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citizenschallenge.pm - 21 October 2014 06:27 AM
LoisL - 20 October 2014 02:47 PM

There has been a “sturm und drang” movement since the beginning of organized religion. It’s by no means new, and the concept translates to all languages.

Lois

Really, what do you mean, where, what, how… any details.

I never said nothing about new,
that’s easy for a non-German to assume, but . . .


You did say, “But I never realized there was once a “Sturm und Drang Movement” in the eighteen (or any other) century.”

If there wasn’t one in the “eighteenth or any other century”, if it exists now it must be new, wouldn’t you say?

Perhaps that’s a difficult concept for a German to assume! wink

Lois

Lighten up woman.  kiss
You’re giving me the impression that everything pisses you off.

Why not just try sharing some of this knowledge you might have about previous “Sturm und Drang Movements”
help inform this poor sinner rather than trying to wrestle me into your stocks.

For the record, I can get as petty as any one, and I was talking about the meaning of the term itself, that’s all.  angry 
Isn’t it common knowledge that native phrases possess more meaning and nuance in the native tongues,
then in translations -

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Why not just try sharing some of this knowledge you might have about previous “Sturm und Drang Movements”
help inform this poor sinner rather than trying to wrestle me into your stocks.

I was first introduced to the Sturm und Drang as a philosophical movement while At Uni and read some Goethe but mainly liked Shiller’s plays, still do. The prof interpreted it as the “Storm and Stress” movement BTW but what the hey. The best I can remember is that it was a knee jerk anti-Enlightenment movement extolling the virtues of individualism with a religious overlay. See, or hear rather Shiller’s poem An Die Freude as an example. My all time favorite song by Beethoven. And German is my favorite language so I envy your natural ability! Thought I’d throw that in for kicks.


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citizenschallenge.pm - 21 October 2014 06:21 PM
LoisL - 21 October 2014 08:48 AM
citizenschallenge.pm - 21 October 2014 06:27 AM
LoisL - 20 October 2014 02:47 PM

There has been a “sturm und drang” movement since the beginning of organized religion. It’s by no means new, and the concept translates to all languages.

Lois

Really, what do you mean, where, what, how… any details.

I never said nothing about new,
that’s easy for a non-German to assume, but . . .


You did say, “But I never realized there was once a “Sturm und Drang Movement” in the eighteen (or any other) century.”

If there wasn’t one in the “eighteenth or any other century”, if it exists now it must be new, wouldn’t you say?

Perhaps that’s a difficult concept for a German to assume! wink

Lois

Lighten up woman.  kiss
You’re giving me the impression that everything pisses you off.


Not everything.

Why not just try sharing some of this knowledge you might have about previous “Sturm und Drang Movements”
help inform this poor sinner rather than trying to wrestle me into your stocks.

I meant only that religion itself is a sturm und drang movement, especially the way it is often preached and proselytized. Sturm und drang is an understatement.

For the record, I can get as petty as any one, and I was talking about the meaning of the term itself, that’s all.  angry 
Isn’t it common knowledge that native phrases possess more meaning and nuance in the native tongues,
then in translations -

Sometimes yes and sometimes no.

Just teasing you a little, CC. Germans often need softening up.    LOL

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Posted: 26 October 2014 08:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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LoisL - 21 October 2014 10:12 PM

I meant only that religion itself is a sturm und drang movement, especially the way it is often preached and proselytized. Sturm und drang is an understatement. {OH, OK that makes sense}

For the record, I can get as petty as any one, and I was talking about the meaning of the term itself, that’s all.  angry 
Isn’t it common knowledge that native phrases possess more meaning and nuance in the native tongues,
then in translations -

Sometimes yes and sometimes no.

Just teasing you a little, CC. Germans often need softening up.    LOL

Are you implying MEe need softening up?  perish the thought   wink

Thevillageatheist - 21 October 2014 10:07 PM

Why not just try sharing some of this knowledge you might have about previous “Sturm und Drang Movements” help inform this poor sinner rather than trying to wrestle me into your stocks.

I was first introduced to the Sturm und Drang as a philosophical movement while At Uni and read some Goethe but mainly liked Shiller’s plays, still do. The prof interpreted it as the “Storm and Stress” movement BTW but what the hey. The best I can remember is that it was a knee jerk anti-Enlightenment movement extolling the virtues of individualism with a religious overlay. See, or hear rather Shiller’s poem An Die Freude as an example. My all time favorite song by Beethoven. And German is my favorite language so I envy your natural ability! Thought I’d throw that in for kicks.

Cap’t Jack

Great example “Storm and Stress”  - 
Storm is a Sturm is a Storm, but
“Stress” + Passion + ~ = “Drang”

Oh boy An Die Freude took me back to Bell Avenue (<10yr old), when not listening to their records, parents had the radio tuned to WFMT (back then seemed to me it was all classical, perhaps jazz some nights.) - this was a regular for sure.  Thanks for providing a bit of a frame of reference - guess it’s another topic I should do a little reading on.  Thanks be to god that my stretch of 9-4s five days a week, interesting but brain deading shopkeeper gig is about to finish up, though I’ve got a painting job lined next.  But, that’s shaping up to be more adventure than chore, north of Napa… California here I come.

An Die Freude (Ode To Joy) W/ Lyrics
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pbMUEHvoAo

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It’s funny replace “God” with “creation” i.e. evolution and I can relate to the passions quite well.

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Posted: 26 October 2014 10:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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citizenschallenge.pm - 26 October 2014 08:51 AM

Thanks be to god that my stretch of 9-4s five days a week, interesting but brain deading shopkeeper gig is about to finish up, though I’ve got a painting job lined next.  But, that’s shaping up to be more adventure than chore, …

There’s an example of a really stupid remark I regret as soon as I think about it later.  red face

There was nothing brain deading about being shopkeeper at the building material salvage barn (not it’s real name), in fact it was all consuming.  Way more active and dynamic and busy than I had expected. 

It’s been a really good and fun experience on many levels
and I’m proud and happy to have done it.  Learned a bunch too and got to operate the old Champ again -
the same skytrack I learned on back in 2000 and I’ll admit that was very cool. 

Big boys do love big toys.
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It’s that I had to shut down other things that I’d hoped to focus my thoughts on. 
But such is kayaking the stream of life and time, every choice and participating in any activity precludes something else of value.

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