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Columbia’s medical school urged to fire Dr. Oz
Posted: 26 April 2015 09:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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macgyver - 25 April 2015 06:32 AM
Lausten - 24 April 2015 06:03 PM

His rebuttal was mostly about the people, not the substance. Can’t say I’m really interested in the details. The NYT had a decent article. The bit about him not gaining financially from the products he promotes seems pretty shady. I realize it isn’t a direct connection, but he creates the atmosphere of not trusting science, then sells books into that. Much easier to sell a book and just slap a disclaimer on it than it is to do actual research or try to sort out the research that is out there.

You’re right. His defense amounted to nothing more than ad hominem attacks and diversion

What else did he have?

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Posted: 26 April 2015 10:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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LoisL - 26 April 2015 09:54 AM
macgyver - 25 April 2015 06:32 AM
Lausten - 24 April 2015 06:03 PM

His rebuttal was mostly about the people, not the substance. Can’t say I’m really interested in the details. The NYT had a decent article. The bit about him not gaining financially from the products he promotes seems pretty shady. I realize it isn’t a direct connection, but he creates the atmosphere of not trusting science, then sells books into that. Much easier to sell a book and just slap a disclaimer on it than it is to do actual research or try to sort out the research that is out there.

You’re right. His defense amounted to nothing more than ad hominem attacks and diversion

What else did he have?

Lois

Well, had he been an honest and ethical person he might have said something to the effect of ” you know you may have a point”, but obviously he is neither of thise things and he wont say anything of the sort

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Posted: 26 April 2015 03:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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macgyver - 26 April 2015 10:17 AM

Well, had he been an honest and ethical person he might have said something to the effect of ” you know you may have a point”, but obviously he is neither of thise things and he wont say anything of the sort

Yes, and then Bill Belichick quits football and goes around speaking at High Schools about the evils of cheating, and Lance Armstrong writes another book, “It’s actually not about the bike, it was about me and I didn’t care about anyone else”, and Dick Cheney donates most of his wealth to early childhood education programs that fill in the gaps left by our government, then we might be on a path to a decent world.

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Posted: 27 April 2015 01:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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The show “Last Week Tonight” pounded hard on Oz and his inadequate attempt at self justification, last night.

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Posted: 28 April 2015 03:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Yesterday, I was in a store which had his magazine by the checkout and one of the headlines on the magazine was something like “Healthy Pizza Pasta Burgers!” The cover photo had Oz sitting in a kitchen with a burger in his hand, pretending to be about to eat it, and I noticed that they’d photoshopped the burger into the picture.

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Posted: 06 May 2015 04:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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I do not follow Dr. Oz nor do I know much about this story, but can’t the American Medical Association and other prominent medical bodies of knowledge speak out if there have been violations of codes of ethics? If so, I would think they could quickly remove this celebrity Doctor from popularity…

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Posted: 06 May 2015 05:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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FinallyDecided - 06 May 2015 04:16 AM

I do not follow Dr. Oz nor do I know much about this story, but can’t the American Medical Association and other prominent medical bodies of knowledge speak out if there have been violations of codes of ethics? If so, I would think they could quickly remove this celebrity Doctor from popularity…

The AMA is not a governing body, its only a professional organization. It does not have the authority to remove his license or even his board certification if he is certified. They could make an announcement that they disagree with his approach to medicine but there are two problems with that. First the the public has a negative image of the AMA as a very self serving organization so if they came out with any criticism of Dr Oz that might only enhance Oz’s image. Secondly the AMA IS a very self serving organization and as such they don;t want to get into a skirmish that would tarnish their reputation. They probably see this as a squabble between physicians that physicians should work out themselves.

I hate to admit this in a public forum like this but I also post on a physician only forum and there have been several threads about Oz over there that I have been very active in. I am saddened and shocked to say that about a third of the doctors posting don’t understand why the rest of us are upset with Oz. Some of them think this is a lot of sour grapes from the rest of us who they believe are jealous of Oz’s success and some of them buy his nonsense about being open minded and trying all possible treatments. This from a group that should be well versed in the scientific method and rationale thinking.

I have said this before. There are some physicians who enter the field of medicine because they love science and they want to use it to help people and then their are others who have their own motivations for going into medicine and only study science begrudgingly because its a requirement to get the degree. This debate is creating a clear dividing line between those two groups of physicians. The AMA will never put themselves in a position of choosing between the two because they don’t want to alienate any dues paying members ( I am not one by the way. They alienated me a long time ago)

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Posted: 06 May 2015 11:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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FinallyDecided - 06 May 2015 04:16 AM

I do not follow Dr. Oz nor do I know much about this story, but can’t the American Medical Association and other prominent medical bodies of knowledge speak out if there have been violations of codes of ethics? If so, I would think they could quickly remove this celebrity Doctor from popularity…

You would think, wouldn’t you. Yet it doesn’t happen.

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Posted: 06 May 2015 11:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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macgyver - 06 May 2015 05:28 AM
FinallyDecided - 06 May 2015 04:16 AM

I do not follow Dr. Oz nor do I know much about this story, but can’t the American Medical Association and other prominent medical bodies of knowledge speak out if there have been violations of codes of ethics? If so, I would think they could quickly remove this celebrity Doctor from popularity…

The AMA is not a governing body, its only a professional organization. It does not have the authority to remove his license or even his board certification if he is certified. They could make an announcement that they disagree with his approach to medicine but there are two problems with that. First the the public has a negative image of the AMA as a very self serving organization so if they came out with any criticism of Dr Oz that might only enhance Oz’s image. Secondly the AMA IS a very self serving organization and as such they don;t want to get into a skirmish that would tarnish their reputation. They probably see this as a squabble between physicians that physicians should work out themselves.

I hate to admit this in a public forum like this but I also post on a physician only forum and there have been several threads about Oz over there that I have been very active in. I am saddened and shocked to say that about a third of the doctors posting don’t understand why the rest of us are upset with Oz. Some of them think this is a lot of sour grapes from the rest of us who they believe are jealous of Oz’s success and some of them buy his nonsense about being open minded and trying all possible treatments. This from a group that should be well versed in the scientific method and rationale thinking.

I have said this before. There are some physicians who enter the field of medicine because they love science and they want to use it to help people and then their are others who have their own motivations for going into medicine and only study science begrudgingly because its a requirement to get the degree. This debate is creating a clear dividing line between those two groups of physicians. The AMA will never put themselves in a position of choosing between the two because they don’t want to alienate any dues paying members ( I am not one by the way. They alienated me a long time ago)

Maybe it’s time for a science based medical association for all of those alienated and sensible doctors.

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Posted: 06 May 2015 12:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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You mean like this one?

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Posted: 06 May 2015 05:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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That’s a great blog, but this is actually the affiliated membership organization: Society for Science-Based Medicine

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Posted: 06 May 2015 07:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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mckenzievmd - 06 May 2015 05:20 PM

That’s a great blog, but this is actually the affiliated membership organization: Society for Science-Based Medicine

Maybe medical licensing boards should be involved. I, for one, am not comfortable knowing that medical doctors can go off in any weird direction they please with nothing to rein them in. It seems that even lawyers are more restrained than medical doctors.

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Posted: 06 May 2015 07:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Coldheart Tucker - 06 May 2015 12:25 PM

You mean like this one?

Like which one, CT?

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Posted: 06 May 2015 07:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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LoisL - 06 May 2015 07:03 PM
Coldheart Tucker - 06 May 2015 12:25 PM

You mean like this one?

Like which one, CT?

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The one at the link.

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Posted: 07 May 2015 04:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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Coldheart Tucker - 06 May 2015 12:25 PM

You mean like this one?

Like which one, CT?

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The one at the link.

I didn’t see a link. The space was completely blank, at least as it came through on my iPad. I usually get links.

Anyone else missing the link?

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