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Islamic Fanaticism is a Worldwide Problem
Posted: 11 August 2015 06:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Sukhamaya Bain - 11 August 2015 04:11 PM

Handydan: “When applied to all religions it is principled. But when it applies only to members of a specific religion, it become bigoted.”

Seriously wrong! No other religious group in the contemporary world is murdering people, enslaving women, torching homes of people of other faiths, uprooting people of other faiths from their homeland, etc. to protect, preserve and promote their religion. While I personally avoid criticizing Islam, I certainly want the followers of Islam to come to a state of rationalism, human compassion and civilization to live with the followers of other faiths and no faith in peace and dignity. In order for them to do that, they would need to discard and disregard a lot of their religion; the kind of reformation that Christians have gone through and have been improving on.

It is actually dishonest to talk about correct/incorrect interpretations of Islam; the real honest talks would be about rejecting a lot of the parts of the holy books of Islam. It is a dangerous political correctness (read dishonesty) when some of the most powerful leaders of the world to proclaim ISIS to be un-Islamic or abusers of Islam, for example. ISIS is not misinterpreting or abusing Islam; they are following it.

I very much agree with your points, with just this exception, I think that most people who identify as Muslims, in the world at large, (and this is especially true for most Muslims in the US) do not accept the parts of their fundamental doctrine (or they interpret it differently) that promotes the kinds of crimes against humanity that are done by what we call extremists.  Granted, however, in your part of the world, what we call extremists may be the norm.

BTW, I am glad to see that you have not been a victim of being hacked to death by such extremists.

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Posted: 07 April 2016 11:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Nazimuddin Samad. RIP. Another free thinker, hacked to death, yesterday, by Islamists, in Bangladesh, while walking home from evening University.

http://www.pen-international.org/newsitems/bangladesh-student-murdered-as-violence-against-free-thinkers-continues/

That makes 6 individual writers or activists murdered by Islamists in the last 14 months. 

Hacked to death with machetes.  Doesn’t seem like a nice way to go.  But that is the price we pay for speaking truth.

Oh wait, no it’s not, unless we are in a predominately Muslim state where Islam is the State Religion.

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Posted: 08 April 2016 09:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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TimB - 07 April 2016 11:36 PM

Nazimuddin Samad. RIP. Another free thinker, hacked to death, yesterday, by Islamists, in Bangladesh, while walking home from evening University.

http://www.pen-international.org/newsitems/bangladesh-student-murdered-as-violence-against-free-thinkers-continues/

That makes 6 individual writers or activists murdered by Islamists in the last 14 months. 

Hacked to death with machetes.  Doesn’t seem like a nice way to go.  But that is the price we pay for speaking truth.

Oh wait, no it’s not, unless we are in a predominately Muslim state where Islam is the State Religion.

This is a tangent, but this example shows one example of why Trump is getting so much traction with ordinary people. I’m as liberal as they come, so when I hear Muslim radicals hacked someone with machetes even MY first thought is my god they’re savages who won’t respond to anything other than equal violence. So ya, nuke’em. Of course then reason takes control. But for the majority of Trump fans, it doesn’t.

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Posted: 08 April 2016 03:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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CuthbertJ - 08 April 2016 09:48 AM
TimB - 07 April 2016 11:36 PM

Nazimuddin Samad. RIP. Another free thinker, hacked to death, yesterday, by Islamists, in Bangladesh, while walking home from evening University.

http://www.pen-international.org/newsitems/bangladesh-student-murdered-as-violence-against-free-thinkers-continues/

That makes 6 individual writers or activists murdered by Islamists in the last 14 months. 

Hacked to death with machetes.  Doesn’t seem like a nice way to go.  But that is the price we pay for speaking truth.

Oh wait, no it’s not, unless we are in a predominately Muslim state where Islam is the State Religion.

This is a tangent, but this example shows one example of why Trump is getting so much traction with ordinary people. I’m as liberal as they come, so when I hear Muslim radicals hacked someone with machetes even MY first thought is my god they’re savages who won’t respond to anything other than equal violence. So ya, nuke’em. Of course then reason takes control. But for the majority of Trump fans, it doesn’t.

Nuking Bangaladesh would sort of defeat the purpose of protecting the human rights of those under threat of murder by Islamists.  So “nuke ‘em” is not among my 1st, 2nd, or 3rd thoughts as a solution.

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Posted: 08 April 2016 08:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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I’m with ya, Tim, but in Cuthbert’s defense he recognized and corrected his emotional reaction. Far too many people in this country run with their emotional reactions and defend them emotionally despite despite whatever evidence shows they are wrong. I saw a perfect example when I worked with a bunch of Republican rednecks at a car dealership. When discussing Gitmo one day I said torture is a very ineffective technique because people will say anything to get you to stop torturing them, and all the rednecks looked at each other and burst out laughing.

You can’t talk to people who think like that.

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Posted: 14 April 2016 04:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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TimB - 07 April 2016 11:36 PM

Nazimuddin Samad. RIP. Another free thinker, hacked to death, yesterday, by Islamists, in Bangladesh, while walking home from evening University.

http://www.pen-international.org/newsitems/bangladesh-student-murdered-as-violence-against-free-thinkers-continues/

That makes 6 individual writers or activists murdered by Islamists in the last 14 months. 

Hacked to death with machetes.  Doesn’t seem like a nice way to go.  But that is the price we pay for speaking truth.

Oh wait, no it’s not, unless we are in a predominately Muslim state where Islam is the State Religion.

Using what data do you determine that being killed for speaking against your state is exclusive to Muslims?

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Posted: 15 April 2016 08:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Lausten - 14 April 2016 04:28 AM
TimB - 07 April 2016 11:36 PM

Nazimuddin Samad. RIP. Another free thinker, hacked to death, yesterday, by Islamists, in Bangladesh, while walking home from evening University.

http://www.pen-international.org/newsitems/bangladesh-student-murdered-as-violence-against-free-thinkers-continues/

That makes 6 individual writers or activists murdered by Islamists in the last 14 months. 

Hacked to death with machetes.  Doesn’t seem like a nice way to go.  But that is the price we pay for speaking truth.

Oh wait, no it’s not, unless we are in a predominately Muslim state where Islam is the State Religion.

Using what data do you determine that being killed for speaking against your state is exclusive to Muslims?

Did I say “that being killed for speaking against your state is exclusive to Muslims”?  I don’t think so.

I simply haven’t heard about Islamists hacking people (who say things that they don’t like) to death, and getting away with it, in any secular societies.  Granted, though, I hear if you promote homosexuality in Russia, you are subject to being brutalized, with little recourse.  And Russia is pretty much a secular State (although, now, they have some despotic orthodox Christian influence).  But no hacking to death AFAIK.  And the subject of this thread is Islamic Fanaticism.

As I am now an atheist, I enjoy being able to say so without fear of being horrendously murdered or executed.  If Islam became the State religion in our country, this might no longer be the case, as it is no longer the case in Bangladesh. 

Muslims are good.  Muslims are great. As long as their Islam doesn’t pro-mote their hate.

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Posted: 09 July 2016 05:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Lausten - 14 April 2016 04:28 AM

Using what data do you determine that being killed for speaking against your state is exclusive to Muslims?

Samad was not killed for speaking against the state. He was killed for criticizing Islam. While there are conflicts where non-Muslims have committed atrocities on Muslims, clearly Muslims are overwhelmingly the champion when it comes to committing atrocities including murder for what they think is their almighty/religion/prophet; just look around the world.

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Posted: 09 July 2016 05:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Sukhamaya Bain - 09 July 2016 05:34 PM
Lausten - 14 April 2016 04:28 AM

Using what data do you determine that being killed for speaking against your state is exclusive to Muslims?

Samad was not killed for speaking against the state. He was killed for criticizing Islam. While there are conflicts where non-Muslims have committed atrocities on Muslims, clearly Muslims are overwhelmingly the champion when it comes to committing atrocities including murder for what they think is their almighty/religion/prophet; just look around the world.

Currently, yes, Muslims are at the top for the most institutionalized use of ancient scripture. I quit trying to do body counts through history to see who is worse because it doesn’t matter. Religion ran the world until about 500 years ago, and we are still struggling. That’s where I start the conversation.

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