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What’s the fallacy?
Posted: 21 November 2015 12:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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If I may, sir LoisL, what is your point? I can’t see any point you are if at all making, to contribute to the thread.

The thread is about “Topic Title   What’s the fallacy?”

And the point I am making is that fallacy is an instance of uncritical thinking, and by uncritical I mean that it is thinking that is not grounded on truths, facts , and logic.

Suppose you react to my concept of what is a fallacy, is that all right with you? so that we can both gain more insights by our exchange of thoughts come to know better what is a fallacy.

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Posted: 21 November 2015 09:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Mdejess - 21 November 2015 12:32 PM

LoisL says:

Removed for redundancy.

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If I may, sir LoisL, what is your point? I can’t see any point you are if at all making, to contribute to the thread.

The thread is about “Topic Title   What’s the fallacy?”

And the point I am making is that fallacy is an instance of uncritical thinking, and by uncritical I mean that it is thinking that is not grounded on truths, facts , and logic.

Suppose you react to my concept of what is a fallacy, is that all right with you? so that we can both gain more insights by our exchange of thoughts come to know better what is a fallacy.

Not sure what you’re referring to. I removed my last post because I overlooked that I had already commemted on the OP. My subsequent commemt added nothing to the previous one. That was all. No hidden meanings

See my post#11.
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Posted: 22 November 2015 06:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Mdejess seems like an automated response, generated by computer. Notes how the title is cut and pasted, including the words “Topic Title”. Also, there is no recognition of Lois’ deletion of her post. You need to understand context to understand what the words in a deleted post mean, a computer program would have trouble with that, so it just responds with argumentative words. The choice of words is strange too, the English is broken but the vocabulary is sophisticated, very unusual as an “accent”.

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Posted: 22 November 2015 07:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Lausten - 22 November 2015 06:36 AM

Mdejess seems like an automated response, generated by computer. Notes how the title is cut and pasted, including the words “Topic Title”. Also, there is no recognition of Lois’ deletion of her post. You need to understand context to understand what the words in a deleted post mean, a computer program would have trouble with that, so it just responds with argumentative words. The choice of words is strange too, the English is broken but the vocabulary is sophisticated, very unusual as an “accent”.

I think you’re right, Lausten. We have a chat bot in our midst.

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Posted: 22 November 2015 10:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Suppose you react to my concept of what is a fallacy, is that all right with you? so that we can both gain more insights by our exchange of thoughts come to know better what is a fallacy.


I see you guys to be now into dodge mode.

Okay, here again is my concept of what is a fallacy [read my words in bold below]:

LoisL says:

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If I may, sir LoisL, what is your point? I can’t see any point you are if at all making, to contribute to the thread.

The thread is about “Topic Title   What’s the fallacy?”

And the point I am making is that fallacy is an instance of uncritical thinking, and by uncritical I mean that it is thinking that is not grounded on truths, facts , and logic.

Suppose you react to my concept of what is a fallacy, is that all right with you? so that we can both gain more insights by our exchange of thoughts come to know better what is a fallacy.


So, start working with your brain cells on thinking critically, what is your idea of a fallacy, unless you are now into dodge mode, instead of doing serious work with your brain cells.

What is a dodge in an exchange of thoughts?

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From Merriam-Webster. “a clever or dishonest trick done in order to avoid something
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dodge

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Posted: 22 November 2015 11:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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See Lausten’s OP in Annex below.


To Lausten, how can you look for the name of a fallacy you accuse someone is throwing on you, if you don’t give readers the particulars of what the someone and you are into in your exchange of thoughts?

That approach from your part is already itself a fallacious way of introducing a thread, not giving the particulars of your grievance on the someone you are accusing of throwing a fallacy on you.

Next time you make comments of a writer’s ideas, please bring up a very specific idea of his, and support it with quotes from his writings, then he will not accuse you of talking from ignorance of his writings.

Now, as regards your search for the name of the fallacy he is according to you throwing on you, first produce what is your concopt of a fallacy, don;t just mention at the start that

Fallacies can be hard to google sometimes, they are designed to confuse, so a description of them can be hard to nail down.


So, I am asking you and LoisL and everyone in this thread to produce your concept of what is a fallacy.

Here is again my concept of a fallacy:

A fallacy is an instance of uncritical thinking.
What is uncritical thinking? It is thinking that is not critical thinking.
And what is critical thinking? It is thinking that is grounded on truths, facts, and logic.

So, Lausten, if you think that someone is throwing a fallacy on you, find out what he is saying that is contrary to truths, facts, and in particular, logic.


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Posted by Lausten: 19 October 2015 09:38 AM  
 

Fallacies can be hard to google sometimes, they are designed to confuse, so a description of them can be hard to nail down.

One I’m coming up against a lot lately is what I’d call the “you don’t even know me” fallacy. It says that since I’m not familiar with a person’s history or all the books they’ve read or how they’ve put all their data together, I can’t comment on their opinion. Is there a better name for that?

The trouble with it is, if I refuse to accept it, I’m equally fallacious in claiming that they need a degree in something, or need to read the definitive book that I’ve read. It’s tied up in the misunderstanding of the fallacy of authority. Or maybe it just is that. Just thought I’d throw it out there.

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Posted: 22 November 2015 01:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Mdejess - 22 November 2015 10:50 AM

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Suppose you react to my concept of what is a fallacy, is that all right with you? so that we can both gain more insights by our exchange of thoughts come to know better what is a fallacy.


I see you guys to be now into dodge mode.

Okay, here again is my concept of what is a fallacy [read my words in bold below]:

LoisL says:

  Removed for redundancy.

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If I may, sir LoisL, what is your point? I can’t see any point you are if at all making, to contribute to the thread.

The thread is about “Topic Title   What’s the fallacy?”

And the point I am making is that fallacy is an instance of uncritical thinking, and by uncritical I mean that it is thinking that is not grounded on truths, facts , and logic.

Suppose you react to my concept of what is a fallacy, is that all right with you? so that we can both gain more insights by our exchange of thoughts come to know better what is a fallacy.


So, start working with your brain cells on thinking critically, what is your idea of a fallacy, unless you are now into dodge mode, instead of doing serious work with your brain cells.

What is a dodge in an exchange of thoughts?

Here:
From Merriam-Webster. “a clever or dishonest trick done in order to avoid something
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dodge


So that’s what you’re doing? Clever. I suggest you learn English, first, though.

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Posted: 22 November 2015 01:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Definition of Fallacy

“Any of various types of erroneous reasoning that render arguments logically unsound.”


Which is all you’ve offered.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies


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Posted: 22 November 2015 03:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Mdejess - 22 November 2015 11:29 AM

See Lausten’s OP in Annex below.


To Lausten, how can you look for the name of a fallacy you accuse someone is throwing on you, if you don’t give readers the particulars of what the someone and you are into in your exchange of thoughts?

It has keyed off the word “fallacy” and is using generic language about what I accused someone of or what I think about what someone said. My OP is a semantic question, not a response to an earlier comment. This is something the programmer probably did not expect. It’s looking for an argument, not a discussion or a legitimate inquiry. I do of course describe exactly what I’m asking about and if Mdejess didn’t understand the question, it should ask for clarification. It will probably now queue off of “Mdejess didn’t understand” and tell me I’m not capable of explaining myself clearly.

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Posted: 22 November 2015 03:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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See post of LoisL below in Annex.


Now, dear LoisL, let us work together to be more specific on your definition of what is a fallacy.

But first, here is again my definition of what is a fallacy, namely, it is an instance of speech founded on abuse of reason against critical thinking, and critical thinking is the use of reason grounded on truths, facts, and logic.

Your definition of fallacy states that it is “Any of various types of erroneous reasoning that render arguments logically unsound.”

Here are the words for which I invite you to exchange thoughts with me on their meanings, because then we will I hope find out how we can concur on the concept of what is a fallacy.

Words from LoisL’s definition of fallacy which I believe he should explain what they mean:

erroneous
reasoning
logically
unsound


As you are the user of those words in that definition presented by you, I invite you to tell us what you understand by them.

And here again is my definition of what is a fallacy, briefly: “An instance of uncritical thinking,” for elaboration of which, please refer to the text above put on italic.

 

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LoisL - 22 November 2015 01:51 PM

Definition of Fallacy

“Any of various types of erroneous reasoning that render arguments logically unsound.”


Which is all you’ve offered.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies


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Posted: 22 November 2015 03:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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Dear Lausten, please, for my sake, tell me what exactly was your comment on the writer whom you now accuse of committing a fallacy against you.

Please do that, then I will try to see what is the name that should apply to the fallacy you believe he is into.

For example, you can tell me that you wrote a review of his latest work, and he reacted by saying that you don’t know him and his works; and in your review of his latest work you said that he is an anti-feminist.

As the way your posts stand, I can’t tell head from tail of what you are into, it all looks like you are talking in the cloud.

So, how can anyone help you to find the name of a fallacy that should fit what cloudy fallacy you are into.

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Posted: 22 November 2015 06:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Confusing you is what I do. Cover these things, I already have. Answers are questions that only lead to more questions. In the big scheme of things, all’s fair in love and war.

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Posted: 23 November 2015 05:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Forgive me, Lausten, but you have spoken without contributing anything at all to the further development of your thread.

Please read my post again, paying attention to the text in bold:

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Dear Lausten, please, for my sake, tell me what exactly was your comment on the writer whom you now accuse of committing a fallacy against you.

Please do that, then I will try to see what is the name that should apply to the fallacy you believe he is into.

For example, you can tell me that you wrote a review of his latest work, and he reacted by saying that you don’t know him and his works; and in your review of his latest work you said that he is an anti-feminist.

As the way your posts stand, I can’t tell head from tail of what you are into, it all looks like you are talking in the cloud.

So, how can anyone help you to find the name of a fallacy that should fit what cloudy fallacy you are into.

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Posted: 23 November 2015 07:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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Brilliant, don’t contribute anything for several posts, then complain that I’m not contributing anything. Emulating a teenage troll is not much of a challenge.

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Posted: 23 November 2015 08:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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Lausten - 23 November 2015 07:48 PM

Brilliant, don’t contribute anything for several posts, then complain that I’m not contributing anything. Emulating a teenage troll is not much of a challenge.

I was wrong earlier. We’re not witnessing a chat bot, we have a troll bot in our midst.

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