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Posted: 20 December 2015 09:12 AM   [ Ignore ]
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All our deeds, emotions, thoughts, creeds – and whatever else we are trying to relate ourselves with – are expression of consciousness which thus exercises its possibilities in order to realize itself

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Posted: 20 December 2015 12:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Did you get that from the Deepak Chopra random quote generator?

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Posted: 21 December 2015 04:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Apparently the concept of rationality fails or Jr. Member.

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Posted: 21 December 2015 10:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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this is to evoke critical thoughts and not self aggrandizing & insulting comments

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Posted: 21 December 2015 11:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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I thought they were very critical

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Posted: 21 December 2015 01:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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I guess i leave you guys on your own - can you please remove this post? Thanks for your attention!

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Posted: 21 December 2015 02:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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waechter418 - 21 December 2015 01:20 PM

I guess i leave you guys on your own - can you please remove this post? Thanks for your attention!

Posts are not removed. If you want to expand on what you said or take it back, you are free to do so, you can’t demand that it be unsaid.

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Posted: 21 December 2015 03:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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obviously i cannot demand civil conduct either - nor can i imagine that anyone is going to follow a threat that is tumbling into the abysses of imbecile minds

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Posted: 21 December 2015 04:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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waechter418 - 20 December 2015 09:12 AM

All our deeds, emotions, thoughts, creeds – and whatever else we are trying to relate ourselves with – are expression of consciousness which thus exercises its possibilities in order to realize itself

OK, taking your statement seriously. 1st, you are saying that everything that we do, feel, think, believe, etc. is an expression of consciousness.  This seems off track, already, as much of what we do, feel, think, believe, etc., takes place subconsciously.

2nd, you are apparently saying that this consciousness does all of this in order to recognize itself.  But consciousness is not an entity that is separate from ourselves that has its own agenda.

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As a fabrication of our own consciousness, our assignations of meaning are no less “real”, but since humans and the fabrications of our consciousness are routinely fraught with error, it makes sense, to me, to, sometimes, question such fabrications.

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Posted: 21 December 2015 05:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Nice explanation, Tim. If the original post been expressed this clearly the discussion would have started on a more rational level.

Statment 1 is demonstrably false. See any number of psychological studies showing our subconscious makes decisions before we become aware of them. You are aright about statement 2. I’ll add that waechter418’s reasoning is probably circular, depending on which definition of “realize” the OP meant.

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Posted: 22 December 2015 08:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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As an auto- or self- complementary dynamic, consciousness could be universal as well as individual, innate to mind and matter and relate itself linear as well as non-linear, depending on the time/space distribution of its hosts.
Pardon the flaws - i just make this up - which by the way, might be another manifestation of consciousness and thus proof it to be difficult to frame.
P.S: the title “postulate” is misleading - ought to be “proposition”. I intent to follow it up with a couple of more (consequently numbered) subjects, which, despite having been cherished for thousands of years, seem find little sympathy among the contemporary “friends of wisdom”.
No hard feelings, fellows:-)

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Posted: 22 December 2015 09:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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waechter418 - 22 December 2015 08:45 AM

I intent to follow it up with a couple of more (consequently numbered) subjects, ...

If I may suggest… don’t.

There is no rational discussion possible about your postu…, eh, proposition, so there is no use posting this here.

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Posted: 22 December 2015 07:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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DarronS - 21 December 2015 05:14 PM

Nice explanation, Tim. If the original post been expressed this clearly the discussion would have started on a more rational level.

Actually, I think that your original reaction, re: “a Deeprak Chopra random quote generator” was, extraordinarily clever, and on point. (Although I hate to see someone smacked down, so efficaciously, right out of the chute.)

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