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About philosophy.  Book “Facing Up”, by Steven Weinberg.
Posted: 08 January 2016 01:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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socratus - 07 January 2016 06:09 PM

Maybe tomorrow “ the Greek chorus” will sing another song:
“ When the next revolution rocks physics,
chances are it will be about nothing—the vacuum,
that endless infinite void.”
http://discovermagazine.com/2008/aug/18-nothingness-of-space-theory-of-everything

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But only in the last 10 years has the vacuum taken center stage
as a font of confounding mysteries like the nature of dark energy and matter;
only recently has the void turned into a tantalizing beacon for cranks.

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Dark energy may be vacuum
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-01/uoc-dem011607.php
# A black hole has a temperature within a few
millionths of a degree above absolute zero.
/ Oxford. Dictionary./
# A “black hole”  has a temperature of only one ten-millionth of
a degree above absolute zero. Book: “The theory of everything”
by Stephen Hawking.The difference is so slight that I can say
“black hole” and “vacuum” have the same equal temperature: T=0K.
# Astronomers have found an enormous hole in the Universe,
nearly a billion light-years across, empty of both normal matter
such as stars, galaxies, and gas, and the mysterious, unseen “dark matter.”
http://www.nrao.edu/pr/2007/coldspot/
# Scientists searching for an explanation for an unusually cool area
of sky instead discovered a super void: an empty spherical
blob 1.8 billion light years across . . .
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/apr/20/astronomers-discover-largest-known-structure-in-the-universe-is-a-big-hole
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In my opinion this “astronomical hole”  is Zero Vacuum.
# “For though all creatures under heaven are the products of Being,
      Being itself is the product of Not-Being. “
        / chapter. 40,  Tao Te Ching /
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In my opinion the Lao Tzu “Not-Being” is zero vacuum: T=0K.
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Posted: 08 January 2016 08:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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socratus - 08 January 2016 01:49 AM

“For though all creatures under heaven are the products of Being,
      Being itself is the product of Not-Being. “
        / chapter. 40,  Tao Te Ching /
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In my opinion the Lao Tzu “Not-Being” is zero vacuum: T=0K.

Yes, Lao Tzu was a famous Quantum physicist…

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Posted: 08 January 2016 10:07 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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GdB - 08 January 2016 08:40 AM
socratus - 08 January 2016 01:49 AM

“For though all creatures under heaven are the products of Being,
      Being itself is the product of Not-Being. “
        / chapter. 40,  Tao Te Ching /
===.
In my opinion the Lao Tzu “Not-Being” is zero vacuum: T=0K.

Yes, Lao Tzu was a famous Quantum physicist…

The ancients knew something which we seem to have forgotten.
  / Albert Einstein /
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Posted: 08 January 2016 07:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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Maybe the heart of this, has to do with perception, which necessarily requires contrast on some level.  What I mean is that, we need “ones and zeroes” and “something and nothing” and “black and white” in order to perceive and make sense of things.  Perhaps this places us in a closed loop, in which there is no possibility (or which makes very unlikely) that some meaningful answer can be found to what nothing is, and how it once became our universe.

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Posted: 09 January 2016 02:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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socratus - 08 January 2016 10:07 AM

The ancients knew something which we seem to have forgotten.
  / Albert Einstein /
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Out of context quotation.

Einstein was not referring to science, but to ‘free and responsible development of the individual, so that he may place his powers freely and gladly in the service of all mankind

See here.

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Posted: 09 January 2016 08:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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TimB - 08 January 2016 07:09 PM

Maybe the heart of this, has to do with perception,
which necessarily requires contrast on some level.  What I mean is that, we need “ones and zeroes”
and “something and nothing” and “black and white” in order to perceive and make sense of things. 

Perhaps this places us in a closed loop, in which there is no possibility (or which makes very unlikely)
that some meaningful answer can be found to what nothing is,
and how it once became our universe.

Hegel defined a contradiction as essentially different phenomena
within the framework of their common unity,
# Marx’s concept of contradiction and his unity in essence, ...
(The law of the unity and the conflict / struggle of opposites)
# Nature itself is in contrasts / contradiction and harmony.
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“ones and zeroes” ,  “something and nothing”,
“black and white” , “movement and rest”,
“corpuscular and wave”, “particle and antiparticle”,
“spacetime and space & time”. “infinity and finite”  . . . . . . . .

“ . . . some meaningful answer can be found to what nothing is,
and how it once became our universe.”
  /  TimB /
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  ” The most incomprehensible thing about the world is
that it is comprehensible.”
    /  Albert Einstein /
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Posted: 09 January 2016 09:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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GdB - 09 January 2016 02:37 AM
socratus - 08 January 2016 10:07 AM

The ancients knew something which we seem to have forgotten.
  / Albert Einstein /
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Out of context quotation.

Einstein was not referring to science, but to ‘free and responsible development of the individual, so that he may place his powers freely and gladly in the service of all mankind

See here.

Good work GdB.

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Posted: 10 January 2016 07:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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socratus - 09 January 2016 08:00 AM
TimB - 08 January 2016 07:09 PM

Maybe the heart of this, has to do with perception,
which necessarily requires contrast on some level.  What I mean is that, we need “ones and zeroes”
and “something and nothing” and “black and white” in order to perceive and make sense of things. 

Perhaps this places us in a closed loop, in which there is no possibility (or which makes very unlikely)
that some meaningful answer can be found to what nothing is,
and how it once became our universe.

Hegel defined a contradiction as essentially different phenomena
within the framework of their common unity…

Well, Hegel and I could agree on that.  But beyond that, I am suggesting the possibility that this conclusion, or ANY conclusion that we make, is necessarily bound by the processes and processing of perception.  (And perhaps even with expanded perception, it may still be a quality of perception and processing perception, itself, that may limit our understanding of what may exist in our universe.) 

That being said, it seems to be a useless consideration, unless it is true and someone can figure out a work-around.

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