How Dewey Decimal System supports religious myth. The occult conveniently labeled non religion.
Posted: 10 March 2016 06:15 AM   [ Ignore ]
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Occult and parapsychology are the basis of much and the great majority of pseudo science.
These are practices in Theosophy, Wicca, nature religions, prayer and distance healing, and spiritualism.
There is no basis for lumping them more with psychology (150) than with religious (200) persuasion.
Yet these are classified in hundreds and thousands of libraries around the world as philosophy and psychology, not religion.
These are religion, even if Carl Jung and his followers may believe the paranormal is real. Freud doesn’t believe it.
Classification is not a war of belief, it is a logical pattern.

Why might these be in the 100 section of dewey and not the 200s along with religion?
Could it be that the senses of radical and brainwashed Christians and Judaeo based faith believers can’t bear to see books they actually believe represent a person they believe is Satan be shelved next to their holy books. It is logical that they cannot stand this. Think of the poor indoctrinated children. OMG. If one of those little ones saw the devil book near the B book, they might pick it up and read it. Then in the radical evangelical traditional rant, Armageddon would soon follow in their limited minds. The world would end, fire would come down from the sky, the family as we know it would disintegrate and bread would no longer rise in the over or taste good. Forever.

Do you feel parapsychology and the occult are not religious in nature, origin or any other aspect?

This situation Dewey 130 classification tends to “hide” the occult (occult means hidden, only in a different sense) from the public and by hiding that which tends toward full out superstition away from that which is full out superstition (i.e. Jesus rose from the dead and was god in the flesh), only serves the religious superstition. While the paranormal can be disproven…unfortunately, Jesus rising from the dead or me visiting with a team of angels this morning cannot.

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Posted: 12 March 2016 04:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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JSmith - 10 March 2016 06:15 AM

Occult and parapsychology are the basis of much and the great majority of pseudo science.
These are practices in Theosophy, Wicca, nature religions, prayer and distance healing, and spiritualism.
There is no basis for lumping them more with psychology (150) than with religious (200) persuasion.
Yet these are classified in hundreds and thousands of libraries around the world as philosophy and psychology, not religion.
These are religion, even if Carl Jung and his followers may believe the paranormal is real. Freud doesn’t believe it.
Classification is not a war of belief, it is a logical pattern.

Why might these be in the 100 section of dewey and not the 200s along with religion?
Could it be that the senses of radical and brainwashed Christians and Judaeo based faith believers can’t bear to see books they actually believe represent a person they believe is Satan be shelved next to their holy books. It is logical that they cannot stand this. Think of the poor indoctrinated children. OMG. If one of those little ones saw the devil book near the B book, they might pick it up and read it. Then in the radical evangelical traditional rant, Armageddon would soon follow in their limited minds. The world would end, fire would come down from the sky, the family as we know it would disintegrate and bread would no longer rise in the over or taste good. Forever.

Do you feel parapsychology and the occult are not religious in nature, origin or any other aspect?

This situation Dewey 130 classification tends to “hide” the occult (occult means hidden, only in a different sense) from the public and by hiding that which tends toward full out superstition away from that which is full out superstition (i.e. Jesus rose from the dead and was god in the flesh), only serves the religious superstition. While the paranormal can be disproven…unfortunately, Jesus rising from the dead or me visiting with a team of angels this morning cannot.

I agree with your post, but what does that have to do with the decimal system?

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Posted: 12 March 2016 06:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Dewey classifies by 000-099 (General works, computer science, knowledge systems), 100-199 (philosophy and psychology), 200-2999 (Religion), 300-399 (Social science) and so on to 999. Parapsych and occult are both at 130, as if they were philosophy or psych. These topics are religion and belong in 200-299, right next to the Bible which is 200s.
Dewey was developed when psychology was new and not much of a science. Maybe in the 1900s they went together. Not today.

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Posted: 12 March 2016 07:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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JSmith - 12 March 2016 06:52 AM

Dewey classifies by 000-099 (General works, computer science, knowledge systems), 100-199 (philosophy and psychology), 200-2999 (Religion), 300-399 (Social science) and so on to 999. Parapsych and occult are both at 130, as if they were philosophy or psych. These topics are religion and belong in 200-299, right next to the Bible which is 200s.
Dewey was developed when psychology was new and not much of a science. Maybe in the 1900s they went together. Not today.

Can you suggest a better system than the decimal system? Or are you speaking of statistics?

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Posted: 12 March 2016 12:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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JSmith - 12 March 2016 06:52 AM

Dewey classifies by 000-099 (General works, computer science, knowledge systems), 100-199 (philosophy and psychology), 200-2999 (Religion), 300-399 (Social science) and so on to 999. Parapsych and occult are both at 130, as if they were philosophy or psych. These topics are religion and belong in 200-299, right next to the Bible which is 200s.
Dewey was developed when psychology was new and not much of a science. Maybe in the 1900s they went together. Not today.

No one has suggested that the Dewey Decimal System is perfect. It’s a man-made concept and is as subject as any man-made concept to error and diffrences of opinion. It is a tool that works as intended most of the time—something that is not necessarily true of other man-made tools. Most people can work around its imperfections and find the books they want. In fact, the Dewey Decimal system has become less and less necessary since the invention of computers, which can find a book no matter where it is filed. But most people are used to it, so they continue to use it as a basis for cataloging books. So don’t get your knickers in a twist over the imperfections in the DDS. If you need help finding a book because it isn’t where you expect it to be, ask a librarian. If the imperfections of the DDS are among the worst problems you have in your life, consider yourself extremely fortunate.

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Posted: 18 September 2016 07:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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The DDC is a creature of both logic and politics for the creator, Dewey, had to enumerate the extant knowledge of humanity and arrange it logically. Then he had to work to bring others who could make it happen across the academic land into his way of thinking rather than using other systems evolving at that time. It may be keeping occult away from Bible is a reasonable strategy if you want to sway large bodies of with narrow mindsets.

My work is now “in-publication” with the International Society for Knowledge Organization” isko (dot)org. (I don’t put the direct link as it is automatically blue and blue is not allowed per administrator Doug Smith. Perhaps the default link color could be changed so there is no inadvertent violation.)

ISKO is part of the library information systems and scientific community dedicated to codifying knowledge. Thus, the seed is planted that may grow to a plant which places religion with sociology where it rightfully belongs.

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Posted: 23 September 2016 10:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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JSmith - 18 September 2016 07:03 AM

The DDC is a creature of both logic and politics for the creator, Dewey, had to enumerate the extant knowledge of humanity and arrange it logically. Then he had to work to bring others who could make it happen across the academic land into his way of thinking rather than using other systems evolving at that time. It may be keeping occult away from Bible is a reasonable strategy if you want to sway large bodies of with narrow mindsets.

My work is now “in-publication” with the International Society for Knowledge Organization” isko (dot)org. (I don’t put the direct link as it is automatically blue and blue is not allowed per administrator Doug Smith. Perhaps the default link color could be changed so there is no inadvertent violation.)

ISKO is part of the library information systems and scientific community dedicated to codifying knowledge. Thus, the seed is planted that may grow to a plant which places religion with sociology where it rightfully belongs.

I second what Lois said. Boy if these are your concerns, wow are you lucky.

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Posted: 23 September 2016 12:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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JSmith - 18 September 2016 07:03 AM

The DDC is a creature of both logic and politics for the creator, Dewey, had to enumerate the extant knowledge of humanity and arrange it logically. Then he had to work to bring others who could make it happen across the academic land into his way of thinking rather than using other systems evolving at that time. It may be keeping occult away from Bible is a reasonable strategy if you want to sway large bodies of with narrow mindsets.

My work is now “in-publication” with the International Society for Knowledge Organization” isko (dot)org. (I don’t put the direct link as it is automatically blue and blue is not allowed per administrator Doug Smith. Perhaps the default link color could be changed so there is no inadvertent violation.)

ISKO is part of the library information systems and scientific community dedicated to codifying knowledge. Thus, the seed is planted that may grow to a plant which places religion with sociology where it rightfully belongs.

In a well-organized computerized system it wouldn’t matter where books on religion are placed. They would be able to be found in a library in the same way that any books can be found.

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Posted: 25 September 2016 05:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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JSmith - 18 September 2016 07:03 AM

The DDC is a creature of both logic and politics for the creator, Dewey, had to enumerate the extant knowledge of humanity and arrange it logically. Then he had to work to bring others who could make it happen across the academic land into his way of thinking rather than using other systems evolving at that time. It may be keeping occult away from Bible is a reasonable strategy if you want to sway large bodies of with narrow mindsets.

My work is now “in-publication” with the International Society for Knowledge Organization” isko (dot)org. (I don’t put the direct link as it is automatically blue and blue is not allowed per administrator Doug Smith. Perhaps the default link color could be changed so there is no inadvertent violation.)

ISKO is part of the library information systems and scientific community dedicated to codifying knowledge. Thus, the seed is planted that may grow to a plant which places religion with sociology where it rightfully belongs.

In a well-organized cmputerized system it wouldn’t matter where books on religion are placed. They would be able to be found ina library in the same way that any books can be found.

Apparently you don’t use search engines.  Type in a word and you get an entire list of specific and related information. The internet itself is a massive library/directory.

I still see no connection with the efficiency and practical scientific accuracy of the decimal system for use under earth conditions.  The fact that you spotted the inconsistency is not a false result of mathematics, but a false assumption by the author.

As to any connection to the occult (interpretation of recurring phenomena), the entire universe functions mathematically and the decimal system is a functional property of mathematics. Of course, in days of old, this remarkable universal potential could and would be seen (by some) as magical (divine) emanations, which could be manipulated by prayer, incantations, pleadings, and casting *spells*.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Decimal_Classification !

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Write4U - 25 September 2016 05:02 PM

Apparently you don’t use search engines.  Type in a word and you get an entire list of specific and related information. The internet itself is a massive library/directory.

I still see no connection with the efficiency and practical scientific accuracy of the decimal system for use under earth conditions.  The fact that you spotted the inconsistency is not a false result of mathematics, but a false assumption by the author.

As to any connection to the occult (interpretation of recurring phenomena), the entire universe functions mathematically and the decimal system is a functional property of mathematics. Of course, in days of old, this remarkable universal potential could and would be seen (by some) as magical (divine) emanations, which could be manipulated by prayer, incantations, pleadings, and casting *spells*.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Decimal_Classification !

Search engines of all kinds use semantic search known in web circles as semantic search and fondly as Web 3.0 as envisioned by web developer Tim Berners-Lee. In general web searches most any of the millions of hits in millionths of seconds might work for the general person looking around for something to use to make some vague point. Semantics is becoming more and more precise but how? That is the work I’ve added to now…by showing how, not in mathematical and coding technology but the conceptual apparatus or patterns, from which coding and arrangement can be logically constructed.

Start of new subject response and not to be confused by readers with above statement:
Occult is a subject conveniently separated for religious purposes from the religion subjects in the DDC. That was convenient to do, though illogical and irrational, from a political standpoint.  A realist work points this out easily yet is still not popular with those who believe without evidence that the resurrected Jesus and miracles of the Bible exist.

The mathematical subject:
The math simple shows how four real things, and 8 instances of each can easily describe all literature, science, math itself, sociology, and psychology regardless of cultural or individual differences.

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