Secular Islam
Posted: 06 March 2007 12:39 AM   [ Ignore ]
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The St. Petersburg Declaration of human rights.

You can see more at the Secular Islam blog.

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Posted: 06 March 2007 03:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Isn’t secular Islam an oxymoron?

Despite that, I’ll definitely post this on my blog, I try to support Islamic and Middle Eastern secularism and free speech causes as much as possible.

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Posted: 06 March 2007 03:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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[quote author=“rationalrevolution”]Isn’t secular Islam an oxymoron?

It’s a good question how you define “Islam” in a non-religious context. Perhaps they are referring to Islam as a set of interrelated historical and cultural practices that aren’t necessarily religious. But I’d leave that definition up to them ...

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Posted: 06 March 2007 05:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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I’ve sent the link to a few of my friend who are Muslims. So far I haven’t got any negative response. This is obviously because the whole thing was worded a la Sagan; I can see them not liking the Dawkins version.

Good start!

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Posted: 06 March 2007 06:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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I would imagine secular Islam might look a lot like secular Judaism, though perhaps with more intragroup cultural diversity. Or maybe like all the Irish Catholic relatives I have who are essentially Catholic Agnostics or even atheists but who, as Doug says, share a set of values, aesthetics, and traditional practices only historically connected to actual belief.

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Posted: 14 March 2007 11:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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If Robert Price can consider himself an atheist Christian then why not have secular Islam too?

Some Jews and Muslims are atheist/agnostic yet retain their ethnic labels in which they may commit to a devotion of practice and ritual based on ethnic heritage yet do not believe in the supernaturalism of deities. It seems to me the emphasis is based more on the history of the heritage rather than pious deification. Makes sense I guess.

I tend to think of it as soft or watered down ancestor worship.

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