Mike Yohe said: Is this correct? To demystify one could say math is use to describe the paradigm of creation.

Yep, Creation was a mathematical event and as we all can testify to a creative event, scientifically we end up with an equation based on pure energy, infinite potential, implied probabilities, mathematical functions, A spontaneous mathematical event.

“Wholeness and the Implicate Order”. I can visualize that as an abstract dynamical condition or Potential, emergent patterns naturally associated in a concept of Wholeness.

In understanding the properties of a Wholeness lies the path to Empathy, the ultimate form of *human understanding*..

I use to believe pretty much the same thing as you until I learned that the same mathematics that cosmologists and physicists use to describe the universe are also used to describe earthly economics. (

Not everything of course, but many concepts). It really took the wind out of my sails because like you I’d always thought there was something inherent in math that actually linked it to the universe. Then I saw (but can’t say I understood) the same math of physics being used to decribe “economic systems”, “flow of products”, etc. and economists using the same basic language to describe ordinary, i.e. mundane, economics.

Oh, I think you are looking at this the wrong way. IMO, it is truly amazing that **everything** can be translated mathematically.

It proves that everything IS linked to the universe, not in some magical extraordinary ability of humans. It is ALL mathematical and when you think about it, it is the single common denominator in the universe (and may even be causal to the universe itself).

The beauty of mathematics lies in the fact that it is a form of communication without needing a brain. H2O is a mathematical construct based on the potential inherent in the properties of Hydrogen and Oxygen. No *water maker* is required. When there is an abundance of Hydrogen and Oxygen, there will be water. There is a natural mathematical affinity between the two atoms, because of their inherent properties and potentials.

Wherever we look we see mathematics, even as some may be probabilistic, needing time to express itself as in the formation of a spiral galaxy which may take millions of years to form. But when that Galaxy is formed we can clearly see the Fibonacci sequence. And this very same mathematical formation can be observed in Daisies, Sunflowers, Pinecones and in everything that has a spiral form. There was no *spiral maker*

Rather than mundane, IMO, it is astounding that these mathematical functions are so constant in their results. **As Tegmark says: “the universe does not have some mathematical properties, it has ONLY mathematical properties”. **

All things function mathematically, but as far as we know, only humans can learn and understand them, but All physical things and other life forms share in the universal mathematical functions, some with a high degree of sophistication such as navigation by the earth’s magnetic fields, the position of the sun, sonar, sound waves, pheromones, atmospheric pressure, etc.

But proof of the implacable mathematical function can be found even in the **brainless** Slime-Mold, which can solve a maze to find food. It (unwittingly) uses subtraction to solve the maze.

IMO, this solves the problem of trying to imagine some magical “motivated”. intelligent Creator. It’s ALL mathematical! We just don’t know all the mathematics, yet.