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The Secret of Jesus’ Passion
Posted: 24 February 2017 10:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 91 ]
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Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 23 February 2017 11:44 PM

Okay, let me try to get this thread back on track

Good luck with that. I’ll try not to contribute to the tangent so much.

I agree with your bottom line, but it takes a high degree of maintenance to pass it along. Ultimately, the rational mindset is stronger, but it’s always easy to replace the foundational belief with a spiritual one. That is, if I say “there are universal laws that are consistent throughout time and they have no mind behind them”, then our task is to discover them. But if I say, “there is a secret power behind those laws”, then our task is to discover that power, and it’s got that extra benefit of giving us some power, and if you convince enough of the right people of it, you can get control.

I hope you’re right, but I wonder if the cosmological history will survive the de-population and fragmentation.

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Posted: 24 February 2017 09:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 92 ]
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Lausten - 24 February 2017 10:44 AM
Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 23 February 2017 11:44 PM

Okay, let me try to get this thread back on track

Good luck with that. I’ll try not to contribute to the tangent so much. .

Don’t worry about it I’m known to drift of into tangents myself.

In someways, all this is simple me reworking arguments and its flaws.

Took it to another level today, though I stayed away from the Passion angle.  Will have to start a new thread for that one.

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Posted: 25 February 2017 07:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 93 ]
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For comparison, what do you think of the mythic angle? Using stories to express the meaning. Or, similar lines, I’m seeing Democrats finally starting to realize that they need to express values, and values get expressed through anecdote, not data.

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Posted: 25 February 2017 08:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 94 ]
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I’m all for it.  Gotta reach the people on a visceral level.

That’s why I’m so into the evolutionary story of our Earth, there’s a pageant in there that beats all books the human mind can conjured up.
And it’s fact based.

That billions of years old pageant of creation offers a direct connection between us and the flow of Creation past as well as future.
Sure beat the thought of “heaven” (which as described sounds like hell to me.) or “hell.” 

For me it’s done a wonderful job of filling that spiritual need most people have, yet keep’n it real.

May sound like from left field but I got an analogy -
Sort of like the difference in confidence level one achieves between
completing an old Red Cross first aid class and/or completing a full EMT course.

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Posted: 25 February 2017 08:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 95 ]
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WOW - the spam filter is getting really weird around here.
This time it refused to allow me to quote Lausten - said it was spam.
Were it, V. I could understand it, but Lausten.  That’s not fair man.
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I was sooo tempted to use blue.
But I’m a good citizen.  cheese

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Posted: 27 February 2017 08:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 96 ]
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Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 25 February 2017 08:10 AM

WOW - the spam filter is getting really weird around here.
This time it refused to allow me to quote Lausten - said it was spam.
Were it, V. I could understand it, but Lausten.  That’s not fair man.
tongue wink

I was sooo tempted to use blue.
But I’m a good citizen.  cheese

I thought it was only happening to me. I don’t believe the spam. We are being censored. Some days I cannot answer any posts at all.

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Posted: 27 February 2017 08:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 97 ]
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MikeYohe - 27 February 2017 08:33 AM
Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 25 February 2017 08:10 AM

WOW - the spam filter is getting really weird around here.
This time it refused to allow me to quote Lausten - said it was spam.
Were it, V. I could understand it, but Lausten.  That’s not fair man.
tongue wink

I was sooo tempted to use blue.
But I’m a good citizen.  cheese

I thought it was only happening to me. I don’t believe the spam. We are being censored. Some days I cannot answer any posts at all.

Nobody is being censored, apart from folks who have been banned. If you can’t post, it’s either a screwup with the system somewhere or the spam filter. The website software and the spam filter are aged and never have worked perfectly. The filter was installed by the developers at CFI and is a black-box. I have literally no clue how it works.

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Posted: 27 February 2017 10:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 98 ]
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dougsmith - 27 February 2017 08:59 AM

Nobody is being censored, apart from folks who have been banned. If you can’t post, it’s either a screwup with the system somewhere or the spam filter. The website software and the spam filter are aged and never have worked perfectly. The filter was installed by the developers at CFI and is a black-box. I have literally no clue how it works.

Thanks doug. I imagine the spam filter has crept into your nightmares a few times.

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Posted: 27 February 2017 10:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 99 ]
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Lausten - 27 February 2017 10:37 AM

I imagine the spam filter has crept into your nightmares a few times.

Candidly, it’s annoying at times, but I do recall the delta between before it was installed and after. We went from several spam posts a day to virtually none.

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Posted: 27 February 2017 12:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 100 ]
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MikeYohe - 30 January 2017 08:44 PM

Jesus, he is one of my heroes. But of course you are talking about the Jesus of Paul and John. I am talking about the real Jesus. And Jesus did have a driving agenda and it was about gaining power. And it was his way of going after that power that showed his genius.

You know this how?

Because it’s “real”. You know, real, as in really. You find the real one by picking out some evidence that agrees with things you’ve learned in modern schools, based on modern philosophy, then ignoring the other 99% of the evidence of what Jesus was and how the legends and myths developed.

You do realize that 1.6 billion followers of Islam say the same thing amout Allah and Mohammad. They’re “real”, as in really.

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Posted: 27 February 2017 02:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 101 ]
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LoisL - 27 February 2017 12:13 PM
Lausten - 31 January 2017 07:26 AM
LoisL - 30 January 2017 10:54 PM
MikeYohe - 30 January 2017 08:44 PM

Jesus, he is one of my heroes. But of course you are talking about the Jesus of Paul and John. I am talking about the real Jesus. And Jesus did have a driving agenda and it was about gaining power. And it was his way of going after that power that showed his genius.

You know this how?

Because it’s “real”. You know, real, as in really. You find the real one by picking out some evidence that agrees with things you’ve learned in modern schools, based on modern philosophy, then ignoring the other 99% of the evidence of what Jesus was and how the legends and myths developed.

You do realize that 1.6 billion followers of Islam say the same thing amout Allah and Mohammad. They’re “real”, as in really.

I do. I don’t know about Mike. I’m not sure what reality is to him.

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